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    Quote Originally Posted by NobleMetalWorks View Post
    You sound like you were offended by the words I chose, but if you read what you wrote, what you did was take what I said, then posted what it sounded like I was saying, to you.



    Also, when I say things like "you don't know enough about chemistry to know you shouldn't have asked the question" I am referring to the fact that the OP did not understand that copper, nor gold, dissolve in HCl alone, which is what he was originally suggesting. Every chemistry student learns the basics, like the reactivity series for example, and understanding that HCl alone does not dissolve copper unless hot, or gold unless oxygen is present is basic chemistry. When he repeated it again, I re-stated what I said.

    When it comes to saving someone from making a serious mistake I take things very seriously, when someone says something so basic that it's obvious they don't have even the slightest clue about even the most basic chemistry, I take action via words to make sure they keep themselves safe. But being insulting I was not.

    What I do not do is read threads, and decide that I don't like the way someone was talking with someone else, and then post something coy about a that person in an insulting way. You understand the difference I hope, I was very blunt, very sharp with my words, brutally honest you might say, and what did the guy say he was going to do? Check out GRF. That was the intended end result and I'm really glad he is now seeking help where he should be. But I did that specifically because I knew this thread was never going to be able to give him the information, nor the safety information, he needed to do things correctly. YOU on the other hand, said some pretty nasty things about things you admittedly know nothing about. I'll apologize before hand for stating the obvious, but you sir do not even know enough about chemistry to understand what it was I was trying to point out, and had no business attempting to translate what I stated as something that should be taken offensively, because honestly, that is not the way it was intended, which is something I stated over and over again.

    Sorry, but it sounds like you are the one picking on people to me. I call it like I see it. In none of my posts will you see me picking on people for the way they talk, for being verbose, for being concerned and expressing it in a non nonsense way that hopefully makes the person stop and take measure of what exactly it is they are proposing. I feel bad that you took such great offense at something that was never directed towards you, but I refuse to hold grown adults hands and play footsie with them, specially when their safety is concerned.

    Again, I hope you don't take offense, what I say is not intended that way, but if you do choose to take offense it's on you brother, I am not saying anything offensive, but speaking the hard truth. My integrity means something to me, so I would appreciate it if you did not attempt to make it seem like I am trying to be disrespectful towards other members. Pointing out someone does not know something is not being disrespectful!

    Scott!
    Scott, I did read what I wrote. I also read what you wrote. You wrote : "if you would, I would like you to point out those things specifically so that if I was involved in any of those types of comments, I can learn from my mistakes" Then you said "It's one thing to state that SMF members should have treated the OP better, but without stating exactly what those things are, how is anyone to learn from all the mistakes that were made in this thread you have eluded to?"

    I did what you asked me to do. I did not post it so that it sounded like you were speaking to me. I simply pointed out what you asked me to point out. You say you were not being insulting. If you were to read and comprehend both your own words and mine you should be able to see you were extremely insulting to this guy. You say you do not post anything coy in an insulting way. I say it's time to man up and admit that you were very insulting to the OP. And others. You claim I said some pretty nasty things about things I admittedly know nothing about. I did not. I know nothing about gold refining and I said nothing about gold refining. I did not attempt to translate anything you said. In the same sentence you try to belittle me by assuming I have little to no knowledge of chemistry. You would know this how? However, I will admit this: I put very little stock or faith in science. Or anyone who studies science. About the same amount as I put in bankers or politicians. Hmm, no offense intended , of course. You say I am picking on people. That statement , to me, sounds plain childish. I was trying use a little constructive criticism. Some people have a thick enough skin to know and accept the difference. I call it like I see it. You seem very worried that I take offense at you and your words. As I've said before, I assure you I will lose not one second of sleep over anything you ever say. I want you to understand I was not trying to chastise you in any way. I most certainly wish all gold refining questions were guided to the correct forum as I do not see what it has to do with SMF in any way.

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    SkyLineJack, if I understand you correctly, what you are saying is that you think of people in the science profession as being the same as politicians and bankers.

    Every morning while it's still cool enough to do so, I put on my alluminized gear and melt several hundreds of lbs of material in a crucible furnace using a #20 crucible. I lift out a glowing red crucible straight up out of the furnace, while it's 2000+ degrees F, and pour off the molten metal and slag, then when it cools I break the metal off the slag and melt that. Then, I do the same thing, I pull a 2000+ F #20 crucible back out of the furnace, which now has anywhere between 70lbs - 80 lbs worth of metal in it. Then holding that at about 2 1/2 ft from my body I pour it through a 4 inch hole at the top of a tundish so I can atomize the material into something small enough to deal with. It's hard physical labor. I have never heard of a banker or politician doing anything like that.

    It's not my fault you have misconceptions about people who refine for a living. My word and my integrity mean a lot to me, I believe in the old ways of conducting business, so I take great offense that you seem to think it's alright to lump me up with politicians and bankers without knowing me. It's easy to say things that are not true when you don't know the person. If you are ever in Northern California, I would gladly welcome you into my shop anytime so you can actually see what I do, what refiners do, specially those that are one man shops. I'll even have a couple cold beers on ice. I think maybe you would walk away with a lot more respect for refiners than you show now. Until you do though, you have no right, nor any business accusing someone like me of being crooked like politicians or bankers. This might not be true, but it seems like you just don't like people who are well spoken, it seems you have some kind of prejudice against people who talk in a certain way. So if I talked like you, would you like me better? Do you really judge people that way?

    Scott
    At the heart of science is an essential balance between two seemingly contradictory attitudes--an openness to new ideas, no matter how bizarre or counterintuitive they may be, and the most ruthless skeptical scrutiny of all ideas, old and new. This is how deep truths are winnowed from deep nonsense. -- Carl Sagan

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