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Thanks for offering, I'll probably never replace that valve since it is only for extending the jib to give it a longer reach, when extended lifting capacity is diminshed so badly I never use that feature very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by thortek
I knew you were gus ever since the picture of your recovered solution from catalytic converters. And your pm's confirmed it even though you wouldn't lol. And my yard is almost 24/7.. we are open anytime someone wants to sell us junk, after hours we tell them to call before coming to make sure we can. I have had people sell junk at 2am. almost every night we buy until 9 or 10.
Gus do you have to drain all fluids or just the gas tank? and what are cars going for where you are at?
If I hauled into Winnipeg 3 1/2 hours from me cas are $190.00 ton, Jack is a 1 hr trip and he pays $150.00, wants gas tanks holed no stuffer material in the cars but lets me come in after hours. Jack likes to show his suporiority over others and has his share of head games - rules change quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by myekem
Brandon is about the same traveling time as Jack's but more chances of getting pulled over and checked out by the D.O.T, they're open monday to friday 8:00 am / 5:00 pm they pay $140.00 ton, I can stuff my cars and no fluids removed. As soon as the road bans are off I'll be hauling into Brandon where the rules and policeys are carved in stone.
What I'm really after is the catylitic converters, my lack of knowledge indentifying and priceing would have sunk my ship within months bankrupting me. The scrap truck puts me on even ground, eventually I will have enough cats to send into a refinery.
Because catylitics are my main interest about the only things I remove from a car are aluminum rims and gasoline for lawn cutting and tilling the garden
I'm sitll in the process of reclaiming some platinum from a 100 lb mixed catylitic batch, its in the filtering stage. Once this is completed I will post some pictures of the PGM black powders along with weights recovered from the leach. The black precipitant will be a mix of platinum/palladium with a small bit of rhodium fom which a sample will be taken then sent out for an assay.
I will say this though cat buyers with all their claimed knowlege and the money they throw around are clueless, any sensible man working a prospect mining property does his homework by drilling test holes and sending in core samples for assay. In this case you could look at the catylitic as the drill core sample taken from hardrock.
Vehicle maintinance, diving conditions and age of the core sample would all have a bearing of the values remaining. It matters not to me if the catylitic is an OEM or aftemarket.
Selling whole cats or barrels of comb still keeps you in the dark side of this business.
Are you keeping track of how many and what type you put in your refiner barrel? I would be interested in knowing how much of a difference there is when you sell.. Or how much of a killing the local buyers are making off them I should say. If it is a minimal amount, buying them would be high risk if you pay a high amount for them in case the prices drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by biscuit
All I'm keeping track of is how many pounds goes into the barrel,my feed stock is the guts from cats and oxygen sensors.Quote:
Originally Posted by myekem
I'm no longer buying cats so I have very little money tied up in inventory, its the scrap cars that keeps me afloat.
Everything gets a run through the ball mill in small 100 lb loads, during the mill run they're pulveized and homoginised at the same time before adding to my drum I pull a small sample for an assay later. My accumulated samples will represent the contents of the drum once full, from these samples I'll get an indepenant assay along with one from several refiners before shipping the mother load.
The refiners hit you up with perks, like free assays, free shipping, no need to mill the comb.
If I did not mill the comb it would take 4 drums of un-milled whole combs to have enough to ship regardless of who is paying for the shipping, plus I would be at their mercey on their assay.
By milling my own I can ship in one drum, pay my own shipping costs, the advantage this is I'll have proof of the weight shipped and who received it, the assay would have been worked out before hand from my samples sent to the refiner and theres will have to come close or better than my indepnedant assay before shipping the mother load - no surprises.
If the wires from the map sensors would break up and become part of the homoginsed lot coming from the mill these could be added for their platinum. As it is now I'm keeping them seperated.
Sounds like you have a well thought out plan. Good luck when you reach your minimal amount.
Thanks I'll need all the luck I can get, taking the day off to gather up all the PC boards laying around and running some cat combs through the ball mill. From the PC boards going to shear off the chips, incinerate, sift out the pins then send the ash off to a refinery where they will treat them as bench sweeps.Quote:
Originally Posted by myekem
When that barrel is half full I'm going to have an assay done so that I know where I stand with this project, I started filling the drum this moning and it looks like the drum is going to hold some where around 1200 lbs.
Ah finally more inspiration for me to get off my ass and build my tools. Biscuit u make my brain happy.
Get at her and be sure to show us what your building, I may be able to steal some of your ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunemaul
Gus, do you have some ideas on building a small hammer mill, say about 5 HP?
The computer i have all that stuff some how burned out well being stored in the attic. little pissed right now but ill get it working again by tonight and ill post what i have worked on so far. Freon i also have really good links on it as well. Ill just start a new thread somewhere so we stop thread jacking biscut
I can post pictures of my 5 hp hammer mill, I also have a 7.5 hp construction is similar on both with the exception of the screen. The smaller mill uses a circular screen and the larger mill uses a partial located at the bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by freonjoe
If you live near faming country check out some of the hog farmers, I picked these up for a couple hundred a peice complete with motors. Too bad shipping would be a killer I have no need for either mill. I'm no longer refining e-scrap.
Inside theres a flail attached to the shaft it has 3 sets of hammers which look like 1/4" x 1.5" x 6" flatbar holes drilled both ends so when it wears on one side you can swap it end for end and get a fresh side on the hammer.
There is only two pillow block bearings.
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Dont worry about hyjacking this thead, we'll write a book when were done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunemaul
Ah this is good. the materials i had put together were for a ball mill. So now ill just have to start a new project. I was only going for small chips and such. But i could very easly use the hammer mill with a larger screen on my larger boards and send my recovered material to the ball mill to get that nice tiny size im shooting for. Last time i refined my material was wasting space in the amount of solution i had to work with. so going with the ball mill i could get the fingers down to a fine size for storage till i get a few barrels full. I remember you posting on recovering copper through electroplating if i remember correctly. If you could point me in the right direction on that; is were im interested because well gold recover is nice, but you get more copper from those boards then anything else.
That doesn't really sound like taking the day off Gus!?
Credit goes to my woman she did the mother board sorting, my day was pretty laid back but not over yet I'm heading out around 7:00 this evening with a load for Jack.Quote:
Originally Posted by KZBell
To answeer Dunemaul yes I did some copper from refridgeration to recover silver which in the end turned out to be solder with 95% tin. No cigar, but it was a good way to kill the month of January.
It takes a good furnace to melt copper and plenty of fuel, in the end your yard will more than likely pay as number 2 copper. For instance my 500 gallon propane tank was at 50% now at 20 each 10% cost me $100.00 so I've used up $200.00 worth of fuel for $80.00 worth of copper. Had there been silver it would have paid off in spades.
You can not chase every rainbow and expect to find that pot of gold eveytime, my advice is put your time and effort into something that will profit you. This is why I have quit refining, too much labor for so little return. In two years I've managed 1.5 troy ounces of gold, several lbs of silver, still less than 2 G's
Milling those chips good idea if it were me I would also toss in those gold plated pins into the mill the gold will abrade from the pins, moma will come back to popa in the end. If your mill is only capible of handling small loads be sure to pull 30 grams to add to your assay batch.
Dealing with the assay batch, say you have 1 lb from all your batches dumop this onto a clean paper you should have a mound. Take a peice of heavy cardboard or a sheet of tin, halve that pile by drawing the cut line a short distance from center then quater the pile.
From each quarter take 15 grams, this will be your assay sample. It is advisable to have an independant assay as well send a sample to the refinery you plan to use then compare. You may want to consider other refinerys to send samples too.
Most Univesitys will do an assay for you the downside is that it may not qualify as evidence in court should somethng go amiss with your refinery.
Cetified assay is best, if you want to insure your shipment aqainst loss by damaged container mishandling by your freight carrier or outright theft you have a benchmark from your assay to establish value.
This is one reason I would never allow the refiner to pay for my shipment, if it was insued who is the beneficiary. Times up gottoa run.
Yeah got me searching the area right now for numbers to contact in the future. Only reason that i will still refine is because i have a source for bench sweeps and costume jewelery when ever i fully set up. To get the best numbers im just gonna work on milling each batch with only the same type of boards and collecting each type in 55 gallon barrels till they are full of that type of board material. Its gonna take me many long long years to get this done but im young and got the time and patience to get it done. but getting a certified assay on each barrel would defintley be up on my top list.
All to the future though i need property to get this done. When i refined last time i had neighbors asking wth i was doing ( thought i was cooking meth lol) they were impressed and i got to buy all there scrap jewelery.
MMM plans i love it.
Hauled two cars from my end of the trapline, then over at Jacks end went to a farm nearby to pick up an old Ford Granada and some farm scrap. Hooked up my lifting chain then picked the car staight up only to be greeted by a friendly skunk, she was just as startled as I was, but she wadled off peacefully leaving the air clean and fresh smelling.
By the time I had fished stuffing the Granada it weighed 4990 lbs. I still have a pair of self loading bail wagons and some swathers to pick up. Hauling in night loads has left me cash strapped, had just enough fuel to make it home then a one way trip Monday with a load then get caught up with the money I'm owed.
Jack won't pay on site? How does Jack keep track of what comes in, Does the scale you weight at call him?
My deal with Jack is based on trust, I weigh my loads on the fertiliser plant scale and keep track of the weigh tickets myself when I off load my cars at Jacks set them off to the side so that he knows they're mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by myekem
First load in today while on the loader a guy popped into the yard and told me to go an pick up a chevy 1/2 ton at one of the Industial buildings a few doors down so I nipped on over with the loader and grabbed it. Since Jacks yard is closed Saturdays, I could very easy have kept this as my own and Jack would have been none the wiser, but its not how I do business.
If jack had a scale at the yard I would drop my loads after hours and let hime run them over the yard scale in the morning, when I lived in BC I would drop my cars outside Amix's gate at night with my initials painted on a door, this is not a new concept.
The yards are notorious to screw someone over who is only bringing in the odd loads or small loads using a car or light pick up truck not someone who hauls in regular.
Sure I have to agree the guys with small loads are also making the yard money but the handling time is more nusiance and costly over larger so who are you going to cater to.
Historically its a well known fact the guys hauling in with cars and light pick up trucks are not in for the long haul. They're vehicles are ill equiped for the task of hauling heavy loads and soon end up in the scrap pile. Most guys get a few tickets for being overweight then toss on the towel on hauling scrap, I'm no were near my legal weight and prefer hauling in the evenings the D.O.T can always find something on an older truck to give a ticket for.
The guy pulling a decent trailer shows some initiative, chances are he'll get the same type of service that I do with the same priceing, now if I had a tractor trailer rig the local yards would be paying me a better price than I'm now getting.
In other words the equipment you using speaks volumes for you. A 3 ton truck only puts me middle of the road but its all that I care to invest into this business as my game plan is not going after hoards of farm scrap it's cars I'm after and this truck suits the purpose.
Started off explaining my business relationship with Jack and get into writting another book, bottom line it's based on trust. Jack is free to pull anyone of my loads to run over the scale to check my weights as I his should he ever get a yard scale.
The highways dept provides my with free scales as a commercial truck I'm required to pull into them, all I have to do is write down my front and rear axle weights then add them up to know within 100 lbs what my load is. I also keep record how much my truck weighs empty.
I've told you guys before always get a tare weight of your empty truck and trailer, post these numbers on the truck and trailer along with the gross vehicle weight.
Here are the weights of the loads I hauled in since starting this thread.
Pat has the weigh slip for my first load filed, any how I received just over $500.00
Then I have an additional
8980 lbs
6424 lbs
6140 lbs
4900 lbs
2640 lbs
Not bad for the first week grossed $2681.30 and used $400.00 worth of fuel. And had a splended meal at Mr. Ribs
By taking different routes home secured 4 more cars and a swather which are near Jacks end of my run.
Next on my To Do list is replace the 5 hp electric motor on my air compressor so that I can use my plasma cutter. Went through two motors over the winter months before I wised up and changed the oil in the compressor to a lighter oil. Next winter the shop will have heat so this problem will not happen again.
wow, around here trust is hard to come by because even the regulars try to screw you here and there. you have a good thing going thats for sure. thanks for explaining the process to me. I'm looking at buying a tractor trailer right now because we don't have rail access and I figured it would make more sense to have the freedom to haul where and when I want rather than paying someone else the costs + profit to do it. Still not sure if the headaches are worth it for the little gain I will get, but the only way to find out is to go for it.
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Originally Posted by myekem
If it were me I would purchase my own trailers then rent or lease the tractor. This way your getting the newest trucks and the cost is deductable
During the winter months scrap prices come down so lease the truck after the road bans are off end of April 1rst of May to the end of Oct / Nov - hire a driver and keep those trailers rolling.
http://www.paclease.com/index.asp
http://www.pensketruckrental.com/
The little guy hauling with a 1 ton or small truck like I have can reap much better profits by stock pileing his cars the crusher guys the pros are getting preferenctial treatment from the mills and will pay you very good for your hoard as even in crushing it very competitive out there.
Also the beauty of trailers equiped with air ride, you can judge how much weight is on the trailer by the pressure showing on the air guage.
I plan on trying to buy the trailer, its a mac dump trailer 40' triaxle. A dump is so heavy you lose weight that you can scale but at the same time has lots of benefits for local work as well. can haul a 30 ton pay load. Leasing the truck sounds like a good idea but I don't want to have to worry about paying out what a used truck is worth to fix some damage that may come from hauling scrap. Just the other day I was loading a trailer and a piece of steel swung around and hit another one inside the trailer then flew out and hit the guys truck. Accidents happen and get costly especially if the truck isn't yours.
Biscuit you have a sweet set-up!Quote:
Originally Posted by biscuit
Thank you, imyourgirl. I think that the truck will outlast me, some medical issues becoming worse as i get older - me and olddude will need someone to feed the fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by imyourgirl
My partner Pat and I went over to Jacks to pick up some money while there I'm tiold that he has just purchased a roll off truck and that he will spot a bin in my yard for white goods and small bits of iron.
The we had lunch at Mr. Ribs then off to the Realitor to list a property, then from there out to check on the house when we got there found that someone had pried the front door off its frame. This is hilarious as the garage door and rear door of the house were never locked, nothing of value insdie the house but who wants kids crapping all over your carpet and tearing up the wall paper.
Had to be kids, the ceiling in the dining, living and foyer all have embossed tin ceiling tiles with a border, these fetch a fair dollor even on ebay. These were untouched, its pehaps the best selling feature this house has besides being situated on 5 lots.
Anyhow I'm not flogging a house on the scrapper forum just making some coment about the break-in.
This is why im glad i own pitbulls
Soon to be the last mile for this pair of scrappers, bonus the top car had two cats laying in the front seat with a pile of aluminum in the back. In this pile an Edelbrock 4 barrel performance intake manifold for small block Chevy. I'll give it a light glass bead blast to clean it up before listing it.
While I was loading the white Van a Bingo granny came over and sold me another Van for scrap, she's going to hit the hall and the guy who sold me the top car went out for a gram. Told him it was good to see that my money was being wisely invested.
The pain of not having a cell phone, I have a 9:30 call this eveing which screws up my night run, and tomorrow I'm going to finnish wiring in the inverter which was so large the only place I could put it out of the way was under the passengers seat.
Not a very convieniant place to get at the on / off switch so I'm going to wire in a solidnoid into the power cable then wire the solidnoid into a switch on the dash, maybe even add a light into the circuit so that I dont forget to turn the inverter off.
I'll post what I think of this inverter after I've used it a couple of weeks. Its a pure sine 1500 watt that peaks out at 5000 watts. Purchased from a seller on ebay from China and shipping was very fast, in fact much faster than my packages coming from the USA.
This morning purcashed a replacemnt 5 hp Baldor motor for my air compressor from an ebayer for $399.00 with $149.00 shipping called a few places here in Canada they want $1200.00 for the same motor. The best Princes Auto had was a 5 hp at $799.00 with no inventory. Our Princess Auto is like Harbor Freight in the USA.
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The funny side of life, while we were at Jacks he was loading some drill stem that they had cut up into number one, he bought a Chinese magnet and I have to say that I'm not even remotely impressed. Since he was almost done with loading I had the opertunity to become a spectator, when he cut the power the residule magnetism in the magnets core took about 45 / 60 seconds to release the iron.
Couple days before jack suggested that I take Hyw 471 a gravel road to avoid the D.O.T., this was the day that I found the Maytag engine, then further on made a house call to enquire about a few scrappers then from another vacaant farm got a telehphone number of one of the junk Vans.
The house call was a success, 3 cars to pick up later this week, its on Jacks end of my run. Ok I get talking to the woman asking who owns the Electrical contrators vans at the vancant farm anyhow she tells me that the guy only rents storage space but I'm interested in a shop that buned down full of equipment which is now toast.
I got a name of the property owner but no chance to follow up, while I'm watching Jack in this comedy another guy drives into the yard we chat making small talk then Jack comes down off the excavator and this guy asks hey do you pick up scrap I have a property on 471 with a building that burned down a some swathers etc.
I'm chuckling to myself this is the guy I was trying to bird dog and here he falls into my lap so to speak so I keep my trap shut then after the guy leaves told Jack we both had a good laugh and he get the scrap I was after.
Never said anything about the 3 cars across the road that I'm picking up later in the week.
All in all today I have puchased 4 cars, the white van on my truck was paid for last fall. My 9:30 call is to see of I get a pick up truck with the 2 cars purchased earlier while Pat was vacuuming dead flys off the window sills at the Birnie house. I made a house call next door.
I like it when the cars come in pairs.
Nice work biscuit.
cory you are talking about what they call a hitchhiker yeah they will pick up a car.But you wouldnt be able to stack them with it.But the bed on them trucks are 28 ft or so.That means when you loaded it you could sit the front of one car on the rear of the other.
Also when you move up to that you get in using alot more fuel and other things also have to have a class b cdl.Best to stick with what you have.
First load weighed in at 7100 lbs, then another two cars from Jacks end of my run 6340 lbs then an orphan a big oldsmobile that weighed 3280 my total tonnage was 8.36 gross payent of $1254.00 after deducting for the car purchases and fuel put an easy $900.00 in my pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunemaul
So there's something to be said about owning a larger truck, fuel milelage is around 6 mpg, I may swap the hood over to the more aerodynamic one from the buss the one on the truck now is like a plough. With the swap possibly pick up another mile per gallon.
When I hauled campers for a living (if you could call it that) I added a scoop to the roof that I could take on and off, that way when I had a camper on I put the roof scoop on then as soon as it was delivered I removed it. It was worth about 1/2 mile to the gallon but when I ran almost 100,000 a year it added up to some real savings at the end of the year. At the end of the trip you could see the "bug splatter" pattern on the front of the camper to see how well it pushed the air over and around the front. This idea will work with any big load on the back or with a big inclosed trailer. It's worth 1/2 to 1 mpg. I bought mine but they are real simple to build.Quote:
So there's something to be said about owning a larger truck, fuel milelage is around 6 mpg, I may swap the hood over to the more aerodynamic one from the buss the one on the truck now is like a plough. With the swap possibly pick up another mile per gallon.
Ya have to love the woman of the house, they really know how to clean up a yard. Her old man told her which car was supposed to go and she figured that both were going I even had a hard time getting her to accept money for them.
When her old man came home, next stop was my yard he's just a cussing her out to me, gad I hate being the sounding board in domestic disputes.
After seeing his precious car on the bottom of this load with the roof crushed and the windows broken soon acepted the idea that the car is scrap. This is almost as good as a neighor giving you an address for his neighbors junker for you to pick up when he was not authorized to to so but after years of looking at his neighors junker thought it was a good idea to put the crap onto the scrap car pick up guy. Only happened once to me.
Tomorrows Load, pretty soon they all start to look the same only the colors change.
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Long day short post. After dropping the two cars n the post above this one, had a busy day.
The Chevy Van had a THM 400 transmission with deep oil pan, these are popular with the mud boggers, this one went for scrap.
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Very nice and glad to see you are back to being Gus. When you are rolling it the money put together another truck just like this one only less worn out. That truck with the crane is a great asset. Mike.
I had just been thinking today Gus that I would like to see a video of you stacking those cars up. This is just as good.
welcome back Gus !!
Picked these up this afternoon from my end of the trap line.
My woman is moving back to B.C. she does not like to long cold winters. Last week she purchased a 32 ft Class A Motor Home once she;s made the move I may let the Internet service go - keeping only the essentials as I'll be away from home most of the time myself.
I'm hoping to work my way towards B.C. myself but only to restock my foundry sand as I plan to get back into casting this winter to both pass the time ans make some much needed money as I'll be paying her out on this property. So if it appears that I have dropped off the face of the earth, eventually I will be back.
Hopefully the assay results will be in before I cut Internet services.
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