I feel that is the way to go with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavus
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I feel that is the way to go with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavus
The new set up is actualy working better than I originally had it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarrenRealms007
Barren do you care to venture a guess as to the metal in the tan streaks in picture number two below.
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Incinerated IC's come out as black ash, this is the concentrates I'm getting from my ash, should make a very nice button.
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From the first picture this is the black colour of incinerated IC's the second picture same colour after being run through the centrifuge - black.
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Discard trash no value.
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A ton of motherboards whittled down to 6 lbs.. I'm guessing your looking at a tad over $10,000.00 in that plastic tub.
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How long before you will know?Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavus
I would say there is a good possability that it is gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavus
I like that motor set up better.
Excellent job.
Yes I would agree the tan streaks are gold. another observation I made as I neared the bottom of my tub about the last two inches of mud there was a major colour shift as the tan material begun to disappear from my cons recovered from the bowel. It would appear whatever is laying near.the bottom of the tub is heavier than gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarrenRealms007
I'll be spending sometime this afternoon re-running the spent material ( tailings ) through the centrifuge or better put my lack of experience on operating the centrifuge missed any cons.
Metals I expect to recover from the cons.
Silver, Gold,Tantalum, Germanium, Palladium, Platinum, will send the dregs out for assay to see what is left.
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Originally Posted by PartTimeScrapper
Been at this project two years already so there's no rush on my part, one thing I've learned over that period is that the price of precious metals keeps going up.
In truth maybe a month or two, I would like some hard cash to purchase a milling machine, maybe have a new water well drilled. A man has to look after his priority's.
I sent some pictures of the tan coloured cons to a friend who has advised me not to send this material to a refinery but to process in house. When this friend gets excited I listen up.
Gus, is that estimated $10,000 yeald from 2000 lbs of computer mother boards alone. if so, then, would the yeald from server M boards be much greater. and what % i=of increase would you expect from ram ?
No some comm and hybrid boards tossed in for good measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by olddude
Yes that is an estimated value leaning towards the low side, I actually think I'm being rather conservative, as for yeild of servers , ram and telephones I'm clueless on these matters.
Due the nature of how chips are manufactured do not even want to venture a guess.
ok thx. a lot of private home processors prefer ram over any thing else @ $17 a lb so I figure there has to a lot better yeold.
As your aware my mind is all over the map, everything from building a car trailer to buying the crane truck then hauling cars for a summer then into photography now back to precious metals. I believe they call it attention deficit.Quote:
Originally Posted by olddude
Anyhow my veiw of e-scrap is that you have to treat the material as if it were ore - same as if you had mined it from the earth.
The older e-scrap is considered high grade ore, my centrifuge has proven this to me.
I think the heavier sediment goes along with what we talked about the other day. Looking very good so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavus
Agreed. and there is not all that much of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarrenRealms007
I squeezed another 1.5 lbs out of the tailings there could be more but decided to leave the tailings to test the new centrifuge which will be built around a totally new design.
Barren maybe you and I could make a summer of it, going to some of the small gold claims up North working their tailings ponds for a share with the owners. All we need is a slush pump to feed the mud into the centrifuge.
This centrifuge has by far exceeded all my expectations, it is an incredible machine and the new model will even be so much more improved.
I'm going to be a prick not sharing the plans publicly on this new centrifuge build.
You owe me an email.
This about wraps up this thread for me, if your interested I put out a challenge to GRF members which may also conclude the thread I have going on over there on the same topic.
Another 1-1/2 lbs.. Looking better all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavus
Maybe you should start processing the material so you will have sumer project to work on next year. :)
I'm curious how well it would work on the cat material!
Now that would be fun to go start working that material at some of the camps. With some work it wouldn't be hard to make a rolling setup to be able to pull up and start working the material.
I'm impressed with how well it has worked. And I think going with the plastic was the better way to go over the AL desighn you 1st started with.
I don't really see that it would prove much purpose to have 2nd building of one publicly, you have put the idea out there for people to work with, that should be enough.
Yea I need to go back and answer the last one we had. :)
And again awsome job on this.
When I'm finished this job cash in hand I have a new project already planned, build centrifuges to sell, but that's another story we'll not get into it here. i just hope that i don't go and do something stupid like buy another truck.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarrenRealms007
I beleive the weighty material below the tan coloured material is of the platinum family.
I had a 45 gallon drum full plus another large container full of network cabling plugs which I fed into my hammer mill to liberate the gold plated pins, this project sat unfinished two years the pins sitting in acid. Couple days ago started neutralizing the acid.
This eveing ran the resulting mud through the machine, at first I thought WTF copper.
After digging the copper free from the groves found the gold had lodged itself in behind. For those that don't know the cons in the pictures below is a mixture of gold and copper.
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You build them and I'll see about putting up a page on my web site to sell them. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavus
I'd hate to see you get another truck and start down that road again.
I was thinking platinum group also.
I think you need to do a little bit of spot testing to make sure you are correct in your thiking that the gold is still accumilating in the bowl once the groves fill up or if you are loosing some of your PM's when the groves fill up.
I've see shaker tables used for copper recovery from some of the cable shreaers. I wonder if this would not be a faster recovery method.
When you have the cash from this stuff you need to get your new well dug.
Did the boiler make it through the shop disaster?
Sounds good to me, but i do not think we'll sell many.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarrenRealms007
My priority's are, get that well drilled, an injector rebuild kit for the Mitsubishi, Tig welder, paper for that new LF printer and some new levi's
Yes I'm loosing PM's when the grooves fill up, they go up and over the side of the bowel back into tailings to be recycled, its a closed loop system so nothing gets lost. The run of material I'm currently working on shows me that the heavier metals lodge themselves first then when I ran the tailings a second time the capture was predominantly copper as the gold had already been depleted from tailings.
In other words if I were to slow the bowel RPM's down lowering the G-force most of the copper would have been ejected from the bowel the specific gravity of gold and the other precious metals are so much greater than copper. Trust me on this one, when the gold and heavier PGM's are captured in grooves on the bowel it becomes very compacted you almost need a jack hammer to remove it.
Various methods are used to separate the plastic from copper chops the one yard used a vibrating belt with a small foot print and it was quick.
Now this was an unexpected lesson if specific gravity, waste engine oil is heavier than veggie, last winter I fellow gave me about 100 gallons of engine oil which I added to the tank then about a week ago my filter kept clogging up from the engine oil which should have settled on the bottom of the tank being used up last winter.
During that week of distress I had to clean the filter at least once a day sometimes twice, it was a PITA. What I would do is chuck the filter into the lathe turn the chuck speed to 2000 RPM.s put a bucket cover over then turn on the lathe to spin the crude out of the filter. Then the furnace went down again, good air and oil pressure, and and the water level was fine, the furnace would fire - run for 30 seconds or so then shut down. I eventually tagged the problem to the the cad cell which was fogged over. Now the thing is running flawless the shop is nice and warm.
Barren when your running mixed tailings the heaviest minerals are captured first in the bowel, when your cleaning them out of the grooves the metals have a tendency to cling to your utensil with the consistency of jam - tailings depleted from values fall off readily.
Where have all your old photos gone?
A lot of you ask how to remove chips and pins from mother boards, I put together a short video showing how I do them.
Quarter inch steel flat plate win angle iron welded on for a backstop, chisel sharpened one side only. I use my baby pneumatic hammer with a short stroke, saves on the body.
Keep in mind that I have not done this job in over two years.
http://youtu.be/zuV8snN8Tsw
Hiccup, I think that would be a long story. An amazing amount of information was lost and we all miss it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiccup
The story is not all that long nor complicated. Forum is geared for profit I dislike others making $$$ off my back using my posts which result in page hits loaded with ads.Quote:
Originally Posted by freonjoe
Secondly I have to watch what I post god forbid should it be considered a commercially orientated post with out a subscription to the scrap room. I've had many a post deleted by either a mod or admin with out so much an explanation.
I spend considerable time taking pictures then hosting them somewhere else so that i can leach a link to this forum. Since I self host those images I own em.
The guys buying your e-scrap more than likely are shipping to Sipi Metals, warehouse locations all across the US, 750 pound minimum, $1.00 lb processing fee. Not sure on turn around.
CPU's and Ram of course would have lower minimum requirements.
I do suggest if you have an interest to copy the information I have posted as my images do disappear from time to time.
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Sipi is a good company to deal with on most stuff. Some buyers here on the forum pay more than sipi does though on certian things. Like ram.
New ebay lesson painfully learned, if your selling an item and say no returns. I recently had a buyer ask me in three separate emails if I would take a return each time i replied i would not.
Same day the item was delivered the buyer puts in a claim item not as described, of course Paypal seized $360.00 from my account.
Of course I responded to the complaint, buyer simply escalated the dispute with out further reply, I have a nasty feeling this guy just got himself a free digital camera back with free shipping at my expense.
I'm not going to let this incident ruin my day, if ebay rules in his favour this will be my last transaction.
On the other hand Gus, you do have his address so there are forms of recourse. Just sayin'
similar situation happened with a friend of mine. he eventually was paid but took 6 months. not sure how many hoops he had to jump through to make it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavus
he had about $750 frozen by paypal.
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Originally Posted by gustavus
What can you put in the 750 pounds? Can you mix high and low grade stuff? Thanks for posting this.
why would you put lowgrade in this shipment? You have to pay $1 per pound processing fee. So anything worth less than a dollar you would be paying them to take. Same goes with metal brackets on PCI cards for example. Why pay them $1 per pound of brackets?
Your welcome Scrapette, I believe Sipi pays out on recovered copper which will offset your processing fee with money left over, the precious metals will be the icing on the cake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrapette
PTS gave you some good advice keep your high and low grade boards separate and strip off as much ferrious metal as you can, plus any transformers and toriod coils which basically have very little copper with an iron ferrite core which is heavy and has no value.
Toroid Coil
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Originally Posted by PartTimeScrapper
My yard counts anything that is not motherboard, pci or cd/dvd as low grade. However, other buyers have bought other boards - green on both sides- for much more. One person's low grade may not be another's . When you process you go by what it yields in metals, right? I'm not talking about brown or even half brown boards. I should have noted that.
Scrapette this is the biggest advantage of sending your material out to a large company such as Sipi who deal in the final end of the product. If you live close by a Sipi location make a day of it, bring your camera, note book then pick a few brains. Make observations of how they are receiving their inventory and ask plenty of questions these guys are here to help you become a customer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrapette
The lower echelons are eager to move on so try and speak with a foreman who has been with the company for a few years and truly knows the business, this is how contacts are bonded.
I wish you the best of luck with this endeavour, oh and happy Valentines Day.
On a side note, most mother boards have layers of copper circuits impregnated inside the the boards, invisible to the beholder of such treasure. I’ve seen as many as 6 layers but when you look at the board you only see the top and bottom layers which are called solder layers.
Yes your correct, the value is in the metals recovered, the green boards were made during a time when the manufactures did not know the technology to scrimp on copper traces, gold plating on fingers and the amount of chips required. Chips on newer boards may actually have aluminum bonding wires inside instead of the traditional gold. So the guys buying tend to error in their favour.
If your paying a dollar a pound to have Sipi refine your boards it wont matter which colour they are, just strip off the excess materiel before shipping.
As a matter of persoanl interest, keep track of how many lbs green, brown and purple were added into the shipment.
If your serious about shipping a load, I will take some mother board round capacitors like the one below, then acid treat them checking to see if there is any silver, otherwise the foil is aluminium.
I would like to assist you in making this first load profitable, if there's no silver in these capacitors you may as well discard the un-wanted weight from the boards.
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Oregon requires you to fill out the following transportation certificate before transporting your scrap metal to a yard.
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A follow up to the shearing video, the pictures should be self explanatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavus
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This is the profile sued on my chisel.
Side shown cuts pins, backside used for shearing and removing pin sockets.
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I've designed 0.062" boards with up to 14 layers of 1/4 ounce copper. In the old days there was a "window" that showed each layer of copper with a number on it through the different layers.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavus
Gus, have you sent out for an assay of your slurry? How do you inform them of what the slurry may contain?
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Originally Posted by gustavus
Happy Belated Valentine's Day to you, Gustavus.
As far as shipping a load to Sipi, I don't have nearly that kind of volume yet. But I hope to move somewhere later this year where I can get it.
So my current interest falls mostly in the research category of what to do when I get a decent volume.
I will keep an eye out for those capacitors however.
Thanks for all the helpful information.
With so many varying boards that would be in a load, is it worth it to check a sample of these? Or in other words, are there actually that many that contain silver?Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavus