Free 15 pallets of crt televisions and monitors and 50 projection televisions

**mikeinreco** · 02-16-2015, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by logansryche

Dang it - every time ESOLUTIONS posts about giving stuff away, I never have the friggin space for it. >.< ESOLUTIONS, did your contact on the island not want these or are you offering em to us first? Just curious.

Nope, he's serious. As part of the law, scrappers that take them can not charge to pick them up or sell them to anyone, so yes - it makes sense to give them away, but to answer your second part, yes - anyone can accept them and do whatever they want with them.

The NY Escrap law? Yep. Other states may have better luck in further processing these so yes, giving them away for free is an option.

So anyone can accept them and do "whatever" they want with them???......Seems like a loophole to me

**ElectricLiquidators** · 02-16-2015, 05:48 PM

That's really all that was needed. Thanks for the explanation. Good luck.

**mikeinreco** · 02-16-2015, 06:43 PM

All good seems you have it all covered...........Will be my last post on this thread and I wish you all the best!!!

**logansryche** · 02-16-2015, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by mikeinreco

So anyone can accept them and do "whatever" they want with them???......Seems like a loophole to me

It is and i isn't - true the e-waste is leaving NY, but with other states enforcing similar regulations regarding CRTs, it isn't really. Final nail for now was the port closures in California as California takes their e-waste laws and regs very seriously. NY tries to mirror it as close as they can without anyone complaining about them too much. Exporting of e-waste should be outlawed everywhere but that's my opinion and mine alone.

**etack** · 02-16-2015, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by logansryche

Exporting of e-waste should be outlawed everywhere but that's my opinion and mine alone.

If this was the case e-waste buyers would not buy your boards. Most of them ship the boards overseas to be processed in facilities that are geared for proper refining.

Eric

**bigburtchino** · 02-17-2015, 12:29 AM

From my research most R-2 is still going overseas. They just need to document everything, like where and to who overseas. How many refiners are there in the USA? ANYBODY really know how many?

**AdmiralAluminum** · 02-17-2015, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by etack

If this was the case e-waste buyers would not buy your boards. Most of them ship the boards overseas to be processed in facilities that are geared for proper refining.

Eric

I think "proper" is used loosely here. "Profitably" would fit much better. You can't change the world in a day, but you can change someone else's.

**junkfreak** · 02-17-2015, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by AdmiralAluminum

I think "proper" is used loosely here. "Profitably" would fit much better. You can't change the world in a day, but you can change someone else's.

It will always be about profit first.
Anyone of us that says we do this just for the environment and then turns a profit is deluding themselves.
There is nothing wrong with making a profit in this business , for me ,its a bonus to do my own part to preserve our resources for our grandchildren. And I am teaching them the importance of continuing to do so.

**logansryche** · 02-17-2015, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by junkfreak

It will always be about profit first.
Anyone of us that says we do this just for the environment and then turns a profit is deluding themselves.
There is nothing wrong with making a profit in this business , for me ,its a bonus to do my part to preserve our resources for my grandchildren. And I am teaching them the importance of continuing to do so.

Profit first and if it helps the environment in the process is a side bonus sends the wrong message. Should be the other way around, as that line of thinking makes it seem like scrappers are out for profit only and don't care about the enviroment.

**etack** · 02-17-2015, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by AdmiralAluminum

I think "proper" is used loosely here. "Profitably" would fit much better. You can't change the world in a day, but you can change someone else's.

If you sell boards in the US they most likely go to Umicore. Umicore have a pretty good track record for refining and environmental responsibility.

As far as US based refiners Sipi metals, Gannon and Scott maybe, Most sample and send on.

Eric

**HiTechMike** · 02-17-2015, 11:22 AM

Umicore(Belgium), Boliden(Sweden), and Dowa(Japan) are the big circuit board smelters. There are others, but these are the ones most circuit boards end up going to.

**logansryche** · 02-17-2015, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by etack

If this was the case e-waste buyers would not buy your boards. Most of them ship the boards overseas to be processed in facilities that are geared for proper refining.

Eric

Us as Americans made this mess to begin with, and us as Americans should fix it - not export it and hope someone's dealing with it. We need to figure out the best safest way to handle this. If this means processing and refining in-house, then that's what it means. I stand by my statement of E-waste exporting should be illegal. To me the definition of E-waste is everything that's not sellable or the left over WEEE scrap. Boards, motors, relays, etc.. are sellables and to me aren't considered E-waste. Everyone has their own definition of what E-waste is apparently.

Originally Posted by bigburtchino

How many refiners are there in the USA? ANYBODY really know how many?

I can only think of maybe one, and even then their a specialty refiner who refines CRTs. I know there are members on here who refine what they bring in and they count as refiners.

**HiTechMike** · 02-17-2015, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by logansryche

Us as Americans made this mess to begin with, and us as Americans should fix it

America generates a large amount of e-waste, but so does Europe. Asia is the main producer of the electronics. The e-waste problem is not just one country's fault, it's global.

**junkfreak** · 02-17-2015, 06:20 AM

There is always going to be waste.
To say any one country is the cause is crazy
I feel we as human beings have stepped up to take care of the "mess" and have done so for a very long time.
Get your facts straight. There are regs that have made manufacturers responsible for the proper recycling and disposal of their products.
Vast majority of the products used in this country are manufactured over seas.
And I dare say we ,in this country are handling more than our share. And doing it responsibly.

**pjost** · 02-17-2015, 06:32 AM

There is a *Blame America First* mentality all over the media, liberal polititions, universities, all the way down to grade school. It is being taught and needs to be addressed and stomped out whenever possible. I agree with you JF.

**junkfreak** · 02-17-2015, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by pjost

There is a *Blame America First* mentality all over the media, liberal polititions, universities, all the way down to grade school. It is being taught and needs to be addressed and stomped out whenever possible. I agree with you JF.

Love it or leave it!
Public school system is a failure.
Half the crap I learned in history was bs
There's a Paul Simon song in there somewhere. Hehe

**logansryche** · 02-17-2015, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by HiTechMike

America generates a large amount of e-waste, but so does Europe. Asia is the main producer of the electronics. The e-waste problem is not just one country's fault, it's global.

And they should handle E-waste in their respected countries.

Originally Posted by junkfreak

There is always going to be waste. To say any one country is the cause is crazy. I feel we as human beings have stepped up to take care of the "mess" and have done so for a very long time. Get your facts straight. There are regs that have made manufacturers responsible for the proper recycling and disposal of their products. Vast majority of the products used in this country are manufactured over seas. And I dare say we ,in this country are handling more than our share. And doing it responsibly.

I'd have to disagree. This country only meets minimum regulations and to me, that's not enough. You know companies like Dell and big box stores like Wal-Mart pay for people to look the other way, right? How do I know? I was standing in the managers office of not one but two Wal-Marts when I was Iowa when this was going on. This country is still the largest importer and exporter of electronics and I'll be darned if I'm going to let my electronics be exported so they end up at the bottom of the ocean or the beach of some country.

**junkfreak** · 02-17-2015, 07:29 AM

My family and their welfare will always come first.
To think that we can distroy this planet, as mere mortals, is arrogant.
The planet will destroy us first.
Environmental responsibility isn't about preserving the planet. Its about preserving mankind.

**logansryche** · 02-17-2015, 07:37 AM

I'll disagree and walk away. Too early in the morning for an argument over morals.

**junkfreak** · 02-17-2015, 07:48 AM

Morals??? What more important?
The problem with blinders is you can't see everything around you.
It would be immoral for me to ignore my families needs .

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