Who Is The Litterer? Who Is The Thief?

Originally Posted by shendog

1: Under no circumstances would this be considered littering or breaking of any law...at least not yet. Give Obummer his 4 years and Al Gore a bit more money and I'm sure they will make every aspect of environmental responsibility mandatory. Now, if you had packed it in your truck, took it home, decided you didnt want it and returned it...well, maybe then.

2: Another easy one. If its not on your property, its not yours so you cant take it without permission. It is unfortunate that someone dumped it illegally, and that it will be sent to a landfill instead of recycled properly, but thats the way it goes.

Playing devil's advocate here - technically the cans and small bits of steel I pick up in the first scenario is stealing too, then. I don't have permission to walk the side of the road and pick up anything. Granted I doubt anyone would ever say anything about it since I'm doing the city a favor by picking up trash and recycling it, but technically no one gave me permission to do so. It is, however, not on private property, which the second scenario exists on since it is owned by the city or someone else that the city subcontracts to.

Which reminds me - another friend and I were speaking of something similar a while back. You dumpster dive in the neighborhood trash cans. You remove big things from the trash, obvious bits of recyclable goodies placed on the curb by the owner of the house for the trash people. You see an old vacuum and some ceiling fans in the pile of garbage. 98% of people won't care if you remove it from the curb because it's basically the same as the city doing it (as in it just gets gone, which what the person wants), but technically this is theft. He said he served on a jury panel a few years back where one neighbor sued another for "stealing" the trash he placed on the curb. My friend said the suit was born from a dislike of the neighbors, of course. So how did it end? Well, I don't know. My friend said he went through voir dire, but wasn't selected for the jury. Shame.

Originally Posted by Racer997

You dumpster dive in the neighborhood trash cans. You remove big things from the trash, obvious bits of recyclable goodies placed on the curb by the owner of the house for the trash people. You see an old vacuum and some ceiling fans in the pile of garbage. 98% of people won't care if you remove it from the curb because it's basically the same as the city doing it (as in it just gets gone, which what the person wants), but technically this is theft. He said he served on a jury panel a few years back where one neighbor sued another for "stealing" the trash he placed on the curb.

You say "dumpster dive", but talk about curbs... which do you mean?

Dumpsters are most definitely owned by somebody, which means you must have permission to legally remove things from it. I find that in most cases, if you are smart, there are dumpsters that can be dived with little chance of repercussion, but it's still illegal if we're being honest about it.

"Curb shopping", i.e. taking stuff that was placed on the curb (or in an alley, or wherever the proper place for that particular area, generally on easement space...) for the purpose of disposal, makes it public domain in most cases in the U.S. Of course you should check local laws for variance on this. The only time "curb shopping" becomes a problem is when you're taking stuff from marked recycle bins/garbage cans. For example, my city contracts its garbage/recycling out to a privately-owned dump. In some areas, they provide cans/bins... it is illegal to pick from those containers, as they are owned privately... similar to a dumpster. Stuff just setting out or in non-marked cans/bags are fair game, and I've taken stuff right in front of cops without incident.


Edited to add: I meant this to specifically address your comment, "but technically this is theft" because that is incorrect in many cases.