The first could have differing opinions by those who might ticket you, much like different cops might ticket you for differing levels of "stop" at a stop sign, either of which could be debated, but the likely outcome will depend if you get ticketed in the first place, they'll likely win. Technically when you pick it up you basically take possession of it.



the second definitely requires positive confirmation from the proprieters, imo. The same rule applies there too though, one day who's in charge might say "sure, take em all", the next day it could be someone else(or maybe even the same fella) who says "nope". I'd still ask