Why is it I'm the only one that does? Why is it I'm the only one who's trying to come up with solution after solution to one of our countries major problems? If I'm not it sure feels like it.Originally Posted by Ewasted
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Why is it I'm the only one that does? Why is it I'm the only one who's trying to come up with solution after solution to one of our countries major problems? If I'm not it sure feels like it.
Last edited by logansryche; 01-09-2015 at 12:22 PM.
Its a global problem. I commend you for your concerns. But the science just is not there. Its a nasty process, harmful to the people who work in the industry. Its,in my opinion, one of the worst technology's we've had. On top of that you have the epa that just love's having an issue with anything they can find. Crt's are a thing of the past . In my opinion the epa is struggling for funds like every other government agency. Do some more research. Crt's stored create no environmental problems. Its all hype.
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I'd have to disagree - I find CRTs to be clearer then any lcd tv, and it seems everyone's missing the point. My solution takes care of CRTs. If NuLife had their business set up like Ben Weitsman then everyone would be taking their CRTs there, but they don't - they have tubes trucked in and their smelted down. They have more control over the process this way. They also have all the paperwork they need to operate in the state of NY and satisfy the EPA. Now, on my end all I technically need is EPA registration but I handle more then just CRTS - I handle fridges, stoves, a/c's, etc.. so HVAC equipment is needed. To handle everything more effeciently I need a building which requires a building permit. I need a fence to keep nosey neighbors away and need a building permit for that also. My point is, I see the positives while it seems everyone's seeing the negatives. If I don't achieve help from here that's fine, as I said before: I'll get the permits and necessary equipment I need in time.
Not following.
Oh I agree, the picture on CRTs is great. But, we never considered the waste issue. I say store them until we figure out how to properly recycle them. U really think that any company, in this country, that is recycling crt's is not being funded by our tax $$
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True, I suppose if we did foresee this issue they possibly would have sped up production on LCDs, and no, I don't - it was explained to me that NuLife is funded by sale of lead and glass. Lead goes to battery mfgrs and glass goes to blowers(I explained this in a post once). I don't share the government paranoia you seem to have. You know what a few hundred tons of lead and glass are going for? Lots. I foresee my profit in either selling to the buyers on here or ebay, but have next to nothing worth turning in so no profit for the moment(though testing the waters on ebay currently).
-Matt
Last edited by logansryche; 01-09-2015 at 01:30 PM.
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They had LCDs in the 80s, they weren't profitable to make, plus everyone was set up for crt. Kinda like the electric car, sure it's better long term, but the jobs, income, and taxes that would be lost by not using gas would be disastrous.
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Paranoia, no.its experience. But I get your concerns. I have them also. We can dig a hole and dispose of nuclear waste! But oh no ,don't store crt's more than a year. Maybe one day I'll read about how a man from NY solved the CRT problem. But to me ,I would never work in a plant that processes crt's now.People are more important than plants.
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I'm glad you have your priorities where they are - I wouldn't work in a plant either. It is my long-term eventual goal to help central NY clean up their ewaste problems. Right now my goal is to get up and running lol.
-Matt
Your a good man Matt, and I've enjoyed our banter. God help us all. We've created this problem it's up to us to figure it out. Frankly, I don't know what the answer is. But I do know I have the ability to store at least a million until science catches up. The epa is no longer our friends. They are a bureaucracy dedicated to self preservation.
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As have I, seems every agency's out for itself nowadays. Hell, most Americans are looking out for themselves and giving everyone else the bird. I don't blame them though, we've dug ourselves into a hole we can't get out of.
I think you missed the point... There are many companies handling glass.. that is capitalism. But if you are using CRT recycling as a platform, and certainly something you are passionate about, why are you not joining their team and avoiding partnerships and soliciting money to start a business?
My observation is more enthusiasm about CRT recycling than having your own business... chase your passion not the perceived money.
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Right but CRTs aren't just glass but leaded glass and if their not sending it to a processor, their exporting it and that's illegal(it's no wonder Japan hate us).
No company or organization I've come across has any sort of thing like that or I would have. To answer your second part, I enjoy working with people and a partnership would also show trust.[/QUOTE]
I mean no disrespect and take criticism constructively. I saw that this nation has a problem CRTs and figured if some took the matter as seriously as I do, they'd help. Sure I'm in New York, sure it'll cost alot to ship a bunch of CRTs depending on your location but I see it as a benefit rather then a burden. You guys might have your own "guy" that takes CRTs off your hands but do you really know where those CRTs go? When I send my tubes to NuLife I know exactly where their going. I didn't want to make CRTs my main business but it looks like I just did.
-Matt
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Exporting them is not illegal. I posted some links (forgot what thread), that listed companies that were approved to export for reuse, companies that were approved to export for recycling and countries that were approved to be exported to. This information was available on the EPA website.
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Ok
Recycling Company Fined $4.5 Million for Illegal Export of Electronic Waste; Executives Receive Prison Sentences: Environmental and Natural Resources Law, Attorneys, Beveridge & Diamond
Fake Recycler Convicted of Criminal Charges for E-Waste Exporting
Call For Environment Agency To Review Export Of CRT Glass | CIWM Journal Online
Businesses fail to audit e-waste, fuelling illegal exports
Executive Recycling Owner Facing Federal Charges « CBS Denver
http://www.lexology.com/library/deta...1-816dac3b0c6e
Last edited by logansryche; 01-09-2015 at 05:50 PM.
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Companies Approved to Export Cathode Ray Tubes for Recycling | International Waste Activities | US EPA
Companies Exporting Cathode Ray Tubes for Reuse | International Waste Activities | US EPA
Export Requirements for Cathode Ray Tubes | International Waste Activities | US EPA
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Touche. However, in reading the second link, a CRT can only be exported IF proof is shown that the CRT will be reused(like if a pallet of CRTs were sent to Africa along with computers for the children) and if that country the CRTs are being exported to refuses to accept them, the exporter must pay to have them sent back. Also states that CRTs can only be exported for recycling AFTER it's been processed(which makes sense since NuLife sends the lead to different battery makers and the glass to different glass makers).
This means though that CRTs still need to be processed first(ie: seperation of lead and glass) before exporting can be done. This also makes sense in companies, business', and organizations taking on CRTs and attempting to process/export themselves and fail so they don't make a profit and go out of business. Of course the only alternative for a person in my position would be to accept CRTs for free or charge a fee per monitor/tv. Either way there's a charge I guess.
-Matt
Last edited by logansryche; 01-09-2015 at 08:10 PM.
I mean no disrespect and take criticism constructively. I saw that this nation has a problem CRTs and figured if some took the matter as seriously as I do, they'd help. Sure I'm in New York, sure it'll cost alot to ship a bunch of CRTs depending on your location but I see it as a benefit rather then a burden. You guys might have your own "guy" that takes CRTs off your hands but do you really know where those CRTs go? When I send my tubes to NuLife I know exactly where their going. I didn't want to make CRTs my main business but it looks like I just did.
-Matt[/QUOTE]
Matt.
With all due respect, I understand alot about the CRT recycling/recovery process. I have been in e waste for almost a decade. There are other CRT recyclers generating lead ingots or manufacturing byproducts with the remaining leaded panel glass.... You never visited Nulife, and are going by what they told you over the phone. I have completed my due diligence and passed a 3rd party audit regarding all of my downstreams, including the CRT processor (our "Own" guy).
I know EXACTLY where it goes and how much of it goes there.
The CRT issue is not a new issue it has been an issue for the last 5-7 years... this is not a new opportunity at all.
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You're right - I inquired about that and they said that anyone that shows up there even for a tour would be arrested. It made sense. I never said the issue was new, but the last I'd say month I'd say it became more of an issue? At least from a media standpoint it seemed to be.
I do feel bad now though because I don't have anything to offer anyone for helping me get up and running.
-Matt
If they would arrest you for a due diligence evaluation, which they currently lack 3rd party evaluation to justify no "visitors", I would run fast and far. Especially being that it is CRT monitors we are talking about and not an item like AC Adapters...
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Yeah, truck's supose to go back up on the lift for exhaust work. I keep a thread on a couple of facebook groups and I'll be posting that I won't be able to accept CRTs period, simple as that. Leaves me with appliance pickup and buying whole electronics. Not a total loss. I won't need any certifications or permits as I have a room set aside for dismantling electronics. I'll eventually save up for that EPA Registration and HVAC Recovery equipment - I believe they'll be worth it in the long run.
-Matt
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