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    Arrow I had a bad day

    I became PISSED today
    A yard by me called Greenblott stole from me and it was the owner no less
    I took a small order in

    Copper 20 pounds in a 6,8 oz bucket

    62 lb copper bearing in a 5 lb bucket



    20 lbs Aluminum

    52 lb short that was nuts bolts, a 90 year old sowing machine and 1/8 thick steel Since it was a small amt I took it to the hand weigh area. The owner says it’s not short I say well 52 lb in a 5gal bucket half full is not mix (I have taken apart sewing machines there short )

    And 192 mix

    Now the real problem - Now I get paid
    13 lbs copper that with math equals a 7 lb bucket I get taken for a pound @ $2.70
    50 CBM that with math equals a 12 lb bucket I get taken for 7 lbs for $1.40
    20 AL did not get paid for at all - get taken for 20 lbs for $10.00
    52 short did not get paid for at all - get taken for 52 lbs for $6.24
    Grand total stole from me $24
    Then I express how come my AL not on the bill, and the owner goes off and says LOOK your stuff is all curb pickings your AL was no good I put in the garbage (I’m thinking how come not in your mix pile ) I don't say it cause I am trying to resolve and I am completely surprised by this . I am surprised by the BULL
    Then he says don't come back here and don't wave the receipt in my face
    I also heard the casher call me a retard now I might have some learning disability I even might be a darn retard but I believe it's illegal to call some body a retard especially a customer
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    That would be the last time I would do bussness with that yard even if I had to drive 50 miles to another yard

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    and a nice article in the public forum of your local newspaper would be lovely.
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    Does that sowing machine sow oats? I'm just kidding with ya.

    Sucks that they mistreated you. As for being illegal to call you names. I highly doubt it. Rude, yes. Illegal, I don't know about that.

    How certain are you that YOUR scale is accurate? I see a lot of people complaining that their weights don't match the yards, but unless your scale is calibrated by the dept of weights or whoever it is that does that thing, then I might suspect your scale is a tad off.

    And yes, I know/hear/am aware that some yards like to play games with their scales.
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    he said he never got paid at all tho and the owner chucked his aluminum in the garabage.

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    In the long run I'll let the weights go by but to not pay me at all for my aluminum and then says he tossed it in the trash , I want my gas money $10 AL = gas / but never will i sell there .
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    I see it now. Not sure why the yard would "throw it away".

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    It is not illegal to call you names as long as the exchange doesnt rise to the level of a threat.But it is illegal to steal your material.You could have called the police and at least filed a report and demanded your material back.Sounds unusual but Ive seen it work.Keep in mind that all legitamate scrap yards are licensed through their respective states,you can file a complaint with the state as well as the weights and measures authority,they take those complaints seriously in my state.Personaly I would save up another load like the one you described..Weight each item at a certified scale..get stamped weigh tickets of each item with pictures and send a buddy/ and a witness back to the same yard and see if they do it again.If complaints to the state dont get you satisfaction ...there is nothing like making him show up in a small claims court where you could get your money/damages/lost wages and then we will see who in the "retard".

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    I always use Greenblotts and I've never had a problem with them. The guys in the yard are a lot friendlier than Weitsmans, they pay better, and I would never think the owner would say stuff like that.

    Was the aluminum dirty? When I started out, I made the mistake of not taking the bolts out of some aluminum doors and got dirty price for them. I've talked to the owner on numerous occasions and I find it hard to believe he would say anything like what you're describing.

    With the short steel, maybe it was a new guy who didn't know what he was doing when grading your stuff, or maybe it has to be bigger than a few nuts and bolts. And as for the weights, maybe your scale is off.

    Once again, I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe they said that stuff. Maybe there's more to the story
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    Then I express how come my AL not on the bill, and the owner goes off and says LOOK your stuff is all curb pickings your AL was no good I put in the garbage
    well in all honesty. It doesnt matter if it is curb pickings or not. Fact is it is still AL and ur AL at that I woulda picked it back out of the trash and loaded ALL my scrap back up. Take my a$$ down the road somewhere and been done. I also would start an article in the paper. You can call your local paper and talk to someone about what happened. They will most likely be more then glad to run a story on it. I know here my wife called about an issue at the school. The next day there was an article in the paper about it. Next day the school called with a huge apolajy. As a reguler guy I am sorry that you got treated that way. It pisses me off when people act that way. In my younger days I been known to kick the crap out of a few guys for talking to me like I was less then they were. But as it is that yard will lose buisness over time due to ''The owners'' stupidity and rudeness.

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    Go back to the yard and talk to the "retard". They told you not to come back as they screwed you? I would bring in another load to see if they did it again. If so tell everyone about it, media, friends other scrap yards etc.

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    I wonder why so many yards think stealing is ok. Some have dodgey scales, others lie about their price, some say you had less weight or whatever. Everyone says...oh it's a dirty business, and you have to watch everything yourself. But a thief is a thief, and it makes me sick when people try to justify it. Like saying oh that's the scrap metal business or if the customer doesn't know, hey than it's ok to steal his money. To me the bottom line is...If a customer comes in with something worth $100 and you KNOWINGLY give them less your are a piece of s*** thief Period!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap man View Post
    I always use Greenblotts and I've never had a problem with them. The guys in the yard are a lot friendlier than Weitsmans, they pay better, and I would never think the owner would say stuff like that.

    Was the aluminum dirty? When I started out, I made the mistake of not taking the bolts out of some aluminum doors and got dirty price for them. I've talked to the owner on numerous occasions and I find it hard to believe he would say anything like what you're describing.

    With the short steel, maybe it was a new guy who didn't know what he was doing when grading your stuff, or maybe it has to be bigger than a few nuts and bolts. And as for the weights, maybe your scale is off.

    Once again, I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe they said that stuff. Maybe there's more to the story
    This really happened today / Todd was the man who said it all to me & he was at the scale I have been scraping for 3 years and yes I have always had a pleasant time selling there even though i sell most to Weissman but once in a wile i give him a shot. truth is he pays less in some ways but some times more , LOOK he took my 20 pounds of AL and it was not on the receipt he then said he tossed it to trash - thats BULL - he stole my $10 dollars - & he made $20 clean - come on man if he took the tiny amt of ten he must really pull fast ones as thats a true sign of stealing , big or small it's all the same to some people and often they are the very rich that are very much out of touch.
    I am NOT making it up, why would i have the need . they have cameras the picture will tell it all - the AL was on the scale and not on the receipt I sat on my knees chopping the AL off boards , That kinda money hits the hart. All AL hits the shredder any way so a screw once here or there is nothing to be ashamed over mine was 99% clean.
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    This is were the forums gets some true action. Other members that use your yard should make a stink about this happening. and let the workers/boss over hear your exchanges about haveing to watch everytthing and how much a hassle it is. The forums are a powerful tool and if the owners isnt a half assed moron he'll get his **** togther fast.
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    Hello,
    It sucks being screwed over. I would definitely not go back there and I would tell other recyclers and friends about what had happened. However, I would not put a posting in the local newspaper without consulting an attorney first. I could see this going bad. The yard owner could sue you for slander if you are not careful. I could be wrong, just my .02 cents

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    Nope I am not into slander , And i see the truth that the ten bucks is only ten still I will pursue the owner with a letter i wrote ,I will have it notarized and copied so he can't rewrite it . If he does not return my AL @ 20 or $10 I will take him to small claims as this is the owner , to tell the truth a worker i'd be easy on as id say he had a hard day or low pay the heck with it. BUT this is the owner and if I can't be treated well by him who else will be proper

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    write them to the BBB (I hate business owner that don't know how to treat there customers)

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    The owner says he was scraping since he was 12 , & he deals with Thousands of dollars worth of metal and he is doing me a favor to buy my stuff , Yes he is but if i learned any thing from scraping is that when you keep stopping for as much metal as you can find big and small it adds up . so for a metal yard it goes like this
    a small time curb finder could be good for 5000 lb per week @ 7 days or 21,000 lb per month and 252,000 per year now conservatively if you have 20 scrappers pulling hard for you per year you have 504,000,0 - now my feeling your really at 151,200,00 because i know there are way more then 20 lowly curb hunters. The owner is rich and does not need me , but why loose 252,000 per year

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    He is wrong he is not doing you a favor. I am well known at both the yards i use and one is a national company. They both have told me that 80 percent of their metal comes from people like us without us they would not be in bussiness

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    I've been burned by a yard in Teterboro NJ. I came in with 4 aluminum rims (no valve stems, no lead weight, pure AL) and some dirty aluminum as well. They paid out for all of it dirty. I asked for the manager and asked for my rims back. They refused. I've never been back.
    What I do now is make two trips to yards. Trip 1 is nothing but clean Al and CU. No guess work, no games. Trip 2 is all my dirty stuff. I'd rather waste gas than get burned again (even though my current place is **** good about things like this).

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