Plan B.

Originally Posted by Scrappah

I think we could fairly say that a lot of the problems revolve around " entitlements". There's a certain worldview (left of center) that states:

A: All people have certain inalienable human rights. ie: The right to access the healthcare system.

If you live in our society you're "entitled" to receive a number benefits from the government as long as you meet certain criteria. The cost is NOT a consideration ! This is the morally right thing.

B: The world is not even. That's not right. It's the correct role of government to level the playing field by harvesting the fruit of the labor of those producing something & re-distribute it to those who have less.

While this may ultimately be the right thing they just aren't factoring in the economic impact. Economics knows nothing of right & wrong. It only knows numbers. If the numbers are good the system works. If the numbers DON'T add up the system is bound to collapse in upon itself.

Greece is heavily socialized. They've been racking up a huge debt to keep their entitlement programs afloat but the time has come to pay the piper. They can't keep refinancing their debt anymore.



Spain's version of Social Security is going bankrupt because there aren't enough working people paying into the system.

You see it all over Europe where the worldview is that the purpose of the government is to provide for you from " Cradle to Grave".

We have it here in the states as well. We recently took on a huge entitlement obligation with Obamacare. Our projected debt is now something like 17 trillion before we reach a balanced budget ?

This really isn't a political or moral issue. It's strictly economic. Unless something majikal happens this can only turn out one way.

Good analogy. The Primary problem is, where is the interest in solving the problem. This thread has half a dozen posters out of 20,000 around the world.

I know this is a scrap metal forum not a political one but politics has a direct effect on each scrapper ie. prices and ability to put food on the table. To many individuals in this country and around the world just turn off their tv or computer when its time to go to the mail box for their check.

Countries with the made in (made in China) label have always lead the world. look back at history and follow the standing of that country in the pecking order have always ruled the world. with out that label we are dependent on the countries who's name is on that label. UK, Germany, The U.S. Japan ect. all were at the peak of influence when their label was a representation
of their ability to produce products.

Our job as scrappers is to provide some of the material to produce those products and there in lies the direct correlation to scrapping and politics.