@Wardabr thanks for the info on what your set up is. I have read patriots thread a few times. Just to be clear I'm settled on propane for the most part, its more about the availibilty in my neck of the woods than cost. I'm able to get oxy from my current work but not acetylene. I'm just trying to nail down the exact set ups you guys use. During the start up of my last company I spent big bucks on what I was "told" I needed. I ended up with a lot of "commercial" stuff that I almost never used or could of gone a less expensive route and got the same performance. So I'm just checking to see how your propane torches are set up.