just thought I'd bring this very valuable thread back up for review in case anyone missed it. I remember reading it when I was very new, but not all of it "sunk in" ! The kiln part is interesting, but few of us will be lucky enough to be given one. but nice to know it's here and also of olddude's expertise in that area, but most of us get bathroom and kitchen fixtures....and most of us have lost money on them, too. This info by the irrationalist is priceless. Review, review !!!!