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    What Will Scrap Metal Prices Look Like in 2025? Share Your Predictions!

    What Will Scrap Metal Prices Look Like in 2025? Share Your Predictions!

    Scrap metal prices have always been unpredictable, influenced by global demand, economic conditions, and supply chain shifts. With 2025 kicking off, now is the time to ask: Where do you think scrap prices are headed?

    Key Factors That Could Impact 2025 Scrap Prices

    Global Demand & Manufacturing – Will the construction and automotive industries drive demand for metals like copper and aluminum?

    Economic Trends – With inflation stabilizing, will scrap prices see steady growth, or are we facing a downturn?

    Regulations & Green Energy – As more governments push for recycling and sustainability, could we see an increase in demand for recycled metals?

    China & International Markets – How will exports and global trade impact scrap values?
    Your Thoughts?



    Do you think copper prices will stay strong, or will steel take the lead? Will aluminum and brass gain value? Share your insights, predictions, and any market trends you’ve noticed!

    Join the discussion below and let’s analyze where the scrap market is headed in 2025!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap-Metal-Forum View Post

    Key Factors That Could Impact 2025 Scrap Prices
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    Business slows down at my neck of the woods due to tariffs / counter tariffs. Prices of goods are increasing and people are losing their jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopperMiner View Post
    Business slows down at my neck of the woods due to tariffs / counter tariffs. Prices of goods are increasing and people are losing their jobs.
    I suspect that our respective economies will go into recession at some point in the not too distant future. I don't know about Canada, but the U.S. government did quite a bit of debt spending to artificially stimulate the economy during the Covid-19 pandemic years. That heated things up, the numbers looked good on paper, but it didn't represent real economic growth. There's always a cooling off period afterward.

    It's sort of like getting paid on a Friday and then going on a bender over the weekend. It's party on and let the good times roll for awhile. Monday morning always comes. It's time to get back to work, you're flat assed broke, and sick as a dog with a splitting hangover. It takes awhile before you start to feel like yourself again.

    See how it plays. Winter is usually a slow time of year anyway. Maybe things will pick back up again in the spring. There's always hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hills View Post
    I suspect that our respective economies will go into recession at some point in the not too distant future. I don't know about Canada, but the U.S. government did quite a bit of debt spending to artificially stimulate the economy during the Covid-19 pandemic years. That heated things up, the numbers looked good on paper, but it didn't represent real economic growth. There's always a cooling off period afterward.

    It's sort of like getting paid on a Friday and then going on a bender over the weekend. It's party on and let the good times roll for awhile. Monday morning always comes. It's time to get back to work, you're flat assed broke, and sick as a dog with a splitting hangover. It takes awhile before you start to feel like yourself again.

    See how it plays. Winter is usually a slow time of year anyway. Maybe things will pick back up again in the spring. There's always hope.
    $500 USD $719.50000 CAD now add PST/ HST plus 25% tariff - now your living high on the hog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap-Metal-Forum View Post
    What Will Scrap Metal Prices Look Like in 2025? Share Your Predictions!

    Scrap metal prices have always been unpredictable, influenced by global demand, economic conditions, and supply chain shifts. With 2025 kicking off, now is the time to ask: Where do you think scrap prices are headed?

    Key Factors That Could Impact 2025 Scrap Prices

    Global Demand & Manufacturing – Will the construction and automotive industries drive demand for metals like copper and aluminum?

    Economic Trends – With inflation stabilizing, will scrap prices see steady growth, or are we facing a downturn?

    Regulations & Green Energy – As more governments push for recycling and sustainability, could we see an increase in demand for recycled metals?

    China & International Markets – How will exports and global trade impact scrap values?
    Your Thoughts?

    Do you think copper prices will stay strong, or will steel take the lead? Will aluminum and brass gain value? Share your insights, predictions, and any market trends you’ve noticed!

    Join the discussion below and let’s analyze where the scrap market is headed in 2025!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alloy2 View Post
    Bot from another planet.
    It's a pretty good forum bot. In another setting ... it could stimulate quite a bit of discussion. Throw a bunch of stuff out there and someone would be sure to bite.

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    To put i into a better perspective, one troy ounce of gold would cost Hills $2,916.17 USD that same ounce would cost me $4,176.54 Canadian Loonies.

    One litre gasoline BC $1.70.5 Canadian, $7.65 gallon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alloy2 View Post
    To put i into a better perspective, one troy ounce of gold would cost Hills $2,916.17 USD that same ounce would cost me $4,176.54 Canadian Loonies.

    One litre gasoline BC $1.70.5 Canadian, $7.65 gallon.
    I can remember when gasoline was $ .25 USD per gallon back in the 60's. It's not that the price of a gallon of gas went up .... it's that the value -or- buying power of the dollar went down since that time.

    Some currencies are stronger than others. Being the weaker currency ... it takes more Canadian Loonies to purchase an ounce of gold. It's all relative.

    If you think about it ... that US or Canadian dollar is just a piece of paper with pictures & numbers on it. It has no value in itself. It's just a medium of exchange. We could just as easily be using bitcoin or some other form of currency that doesn't even exist in the physical plane.

    The trade imbalances though ... those are real enough. If there's an imbalance of trade between the U.S. and Canada .... in Canada's favor .... there's a flow of wealth from the U.S. to Canada. The Canadians become richer and we here in the U.S. become poorer. That's a real problem for us.

    Tariffs are one way of slowing down our losses until we can negotiate more favorable trading terms with our neighbors.

    Erect trade barriers .... and what is ours stays ours. What is yours is yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hills View Post
    I can remember when gasoline was $ .25 USD per gallon back in the 60's. It's not that the price of a gallon of gas went up .... it's that the value -or- buying power of the dollar went down since that time.

    Some currencies are stronger than others. Being the weaker currency ... it takes more Canadian Loonies to purchase an ounce of gold. It's all relative.

    If you think about it ... that US or Canadian dollar is just a piece of paper with pictures & numbers on it. It has no value in itself. It's just a medium of exchange. We could just as easily be using bitcoin or some other form of currency that doesn't even exist in the physical plane.

    The trade imbalances though ... those are real enough. If there's an imbalance of trade between the U.S. and Canada .... in Canada's favor .... there's a flow of wealth from the U.S. to Canada. The Canadians become richer and we here in the U.S. become poorer. That's a real problem for us.

    Tariffs are one way of slowing down our losses until we can negotiate more favorable trading terms with our neighbors.

    Erect trade barriers .... and what is ours stays ours. What is yours is yours.
    During the mid 1950's Canada was developing a state of art aircraft, due to pressure from our neighbours to the South of us. The Arrow project was scuttled with the Canadian Engineers on the AVRO Arrow project going South to work on what was to become NASA.

    The Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow was a delta-winged interceptor aircraft designed and built by Avro Canada. The CF-105 held the promise of Mach 2 speeds at altitudes exceeding 50,000 feet (15,000 m) and was intended to serve as the Royal Canadian Air Force's (RCAF) primary interceptor into the 1960s and beyond.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alloy2 View Post
    During the mid 1950's Canada was developing a state of art aircraft, due to pressure from our neighbours to the South of us. The Arrow project was scuttled with the Canadian Engineers on the AVRO Arrow project going South to work on what was to become NASA.

    The Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow was a delta-winged interceptor aircraft designed and built by Avro Canada. The CF-105 held the promise of Mach 2 speeds at altitudes exceeding 50,000 feet (15,000 m) and was intended to serve as the Royal Canadian Air Force's (RCAF) primary interceptor into the 1960s and beyond.

    Well ... it's not like we annexed Canada. At least not yet....

    I suppose that would be one way of resolving the tariff thing. How do you guys feel about becoming a U.S. territory ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hills View Post
    Well ... it's not like we annexed Canada. At least not yet....

    I suppose that would be one way of resolving the tariff thing. How do you guys feel about becoming a U.S. territory ?
    Never happen.

    As of 2025, there are 15 Commonwealth realms: Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the United Kingdom.

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    I have more experience in the copper market than anything else. That's my preface. I've also been all around the world. One of the most interesting undermine tactics I have seen used against the US is literally its trade deficits. I will drill down this one and I apologize for the length. Everything that follows is my assessment on demand and how I think it will command price. Given that the US is at deficit we should really only talk about demand to be pragmatic. The US cannot provide enough steel, copper or aluminum in the 2025 and future scrap recovery streams to satiate even domestic demand. Africa for example completely obliterates us in ship dismantling, what they and india do in a day takes the EU and US a week to produce. Likewise, China is an aggregate importer, as they have their OWN demand to feed their industry.

    Copper for 2025, I think we will see a lower than expected export demand to the EU and China, If we were worried about volume trade, that might depress prices when mines take a break in April. Where copper is now, by May it might dip to 4.00. The reaction right now is the expectation the war is going to end. Copper is used heavily in armaments and munitions manufacturing. Nickel for the same reason is showing volatility. (And Uranium). Things I believe about demand. We are going to push a ton of money into Ukraine, Donbas, railroads, roads, bridges...hell the anticipation has caused steel mills that primarily produce rebar and structural product to go into round the clock production. EVERYBODY is chomping at the bit to get going on rebuilding and mining, neither of which can happen until power transmission and transportation infrastructure is rebuilt. THIS will drive copper, an estimated five million tons will be used just to give western ukraine independence from Russia power infrastructure. Now IF this demand on various projects which will include the EU having to make copper and steel purchases itself this fiscal year to ALSO gain some modicum of independence from eastern power sources... your looking at a 25% elevated demand from what the smartest men in the room are saying about futures. I think May will be down, and that's going to conincide with lack of domestic contracts, the Canadian and American economic shrinkage will continue, the infrastructure bill was a bust, theyve spent an average of 2 billion dollars per charge point which I thought was going to drive a consistently high copper price all year last year and that was not the case, entrenched warfare fed copper consumption. By July 2025, 4.65 again. By December we could be consistently over 5.00 per lb. I do expect China to buy above market just for their own stockpiling efforts. After all wars are won or lost on who has the most oil, copper and steel.

    Aluminum: This one is problematic. Its tariff dependent for sure as Canada is a massive bauxite producer...but so is Russia. If a trade deal gets done, that will pull a 150 billion dollar industry's legs right out from under Canada. I hate it for them, but if you ask me if its worth doing more substansive customs inspecting, helping the US fend off Fentanyl, fake pharmaceuticals and enforce trade tariffs with China I would say yes in a heartbeat. Canada cannot actually subsist with a product tariff on its car production. Oh sure it will suck for everybody everywhere, but Canada will be hurt actually immediately, since they pour aluminum and steel industries into their chief industrial export. How will this affect price? Well I don't like that May contracts have the lowest tonnage settlements since the 90s. I am expecting some of that to be the end of world conflicts but also tariffs. Not every domestic buy IS a recorded contract. For example Sadoff Rudoy direct sells aluminum the day they fill the cars because the plant that does the recovery is just down the line. I think Domestic price is probably going to remain where it is now, EU and Canadian prices will fall 20-30% and so will China, China is probably going to be on the losing end of every sale they make this year if they even have the chance to make big market sales. I am getting around a dollar for virgin 6061 in truck quantity, and that lines up with market around 2650 gross ton as of this writing. Aluminum is also heavily dependent on the transport market and that looks like cars and trucks wont recover in sales for 3-5 years. That market is UGLY. (I would expect automakers to start sweating and making their positions known this summer, which could depress aluminum).

    Steel: This is the big unknown. I do think were in the middle of economic shrinkage across all western nations. It's become apparent the numbers have been fudged all through covid and after. I don't however believe productivity will be down. You have alot of shrink that will come directly from a reset of real estate pricing, if not the majority...but production for all industrial components will increase. I think we we're going to see a market that stays relatively flat, even if the war ends, rebar and structural steel will really keep demand up globally. I even expect China to give up its reserves to get in on the action. Expect several large contract dumps that might make prices go down 20-40 a ton for short three week periods all thru the summer. Lets not forget how China was able to pull the big switch before covid. They would dump huge contracts, depress domestic price down into the 70s-100s and then distribute buys at those prices that quadruple the return tonnage. I don't think they have the ability to do that again, thus expect blips and plan your sales around them.

    The TL;DR Spring will be volatile, if Ukraine war ends and Gaza conflict closes up that will cause commodity turmoil BUT we still need to replenish munition reserves and then the rebuild phase will come. By summertime the prices should elevate and stay there all the way to next winter.
    Gold is a whole other consideration...I don't care to get into right now.
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    To me: It seems like Gaza is settled business at the moment. I think it's come to a point where the conflict in Ukraine threatens to expand beyond the borders into a WW III situation possibly involving the deployment of hypersonic missiles tipped with tactical nuclear warheads. The global powers supplying both sides of the war have come to the decision that the time has come to cool things off and reach a diplomatic agreement that puts an end to the hostilities. Ukraine will be put into a situation where it will be forced to concede territory to Russia and suffer the loss. It will be left as a country in financial ruins.

    The future of copper seems uncertain. You might say that it's speculative at this point. It might do well because increases in the price of gold tend to exert upward pressure on most other commodities. On the other hand ... it's likely that the U.S. economy will go into recession. That will trigger a slowdown in the global economy and there will be less demand for copper.

    I tend to look at the yearly charts and long term charts for spot copper. The yearly charts show that copper tends to top out sometime in the winter or early spring and then gradually decline. The long term charts show that copper bottoms out and stays low for a number of years after the onset of a recession. History tends to repeat itself. Look for the patterns in the charts.

    LME warehouse levels are another indicator. If warehouse levels are low ... they tend to exert upward pressure on the price of copper.

    The prudent thing would be to sell your copper holdings and take a modest gain at this point. For those with less aversion to risk .... ride the upward trend. You might do really well with a bit of good luck.
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    I found this link last night. It's produced by the fed so the information is probably solid. If you look at the long chart for #2 copper scrap .... it shows price drops after the onset of a recession. It can be awhile before prices rebound to their previous highs.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WPU10230102

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