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aluminum EC wire has it's own category or goes in with MLC/clip
ACSR "aluminum conductor Steel reinforced" has it's own catagory, or is bought with Neoprene, and can got with the old sheet in small quantities

Shredded Non-Ferrous Scrap ( Zorba ): ISRI Spec – Zorba




Made up of a combination of non-ferrous metals ( aluminium, copper, lead, zinc, magnesium, stainless steel, nickel and tin). The percentage of each metal within the non-ferrous concentrate might vary. Materials are passed through one or more magnets, to reduce or eliminate free iron.
ISRI Spec – Zorba

How can they pay you Zorba when your stuff is still intact?

They don't pay ZORBA. The nonferrous material recovered from the shredder may or may not get processed further depending on the buyers spec (percent of certain material). As mentioned, this company does a lot of shredding (most aluminum included from my understanding). It must provide them better margins. Things seem to even out when you average your old sheet, cast and extrusions. You also have the option of selling your extrusions elsewhere to increase your profits. To give you an idea about this company, they scrapped a southwest airlines jet at their Albany location.

not an odd business model, I just would not expect them to deal with retail/public, given those prices, their margin is near the 100% mark, but they have huge expenses with a shredder.

technically what they are producing is ZORBA it would be a very clean ZORBA probably going by train or conex directly into a furnace... basically they specialize in processing breakage grade aluminum into a better product. sell all Fe product there, but keep any Clip aside unless they will hook you up with a fair price

Thanks guys

Took a small sample to a small yard this am right next to the grocery store

He quoted me 40 cents/pound for it

Nothing's gone up here yet, compressors actually went down 3 cents and clean aluminum went down 5.

Often times there is a fine line between the chemistry of MLC vs. extrusion. My previous aluminum buyer allowed aluminum cable in the extrusion mix and sometimes pieces of extrusion needed to go in with the MLC/clip. Its all up to your buyers/yards but I believe the aluminum wire could go either way

Originally Posted by Mmarro89

Often times there is a fine line between the chemistry of MLC vs. extrusion. My previous aluminum buyer allowed aluminum cable in the extrusion mix and sometimes pieces of extrusion needed to go in with the MLC/clip. Its all up to your buyers/yards but I believe the aluminum wire could go either way

Yep its all up to the yard.
The yard I use most often has only two categories
Cans@ .60
Everything else @.55
These are today's prices. Based on 100#'s or more.

Originally Posted by junkfreak

Yep its all up to the yard.
The yard I use most often has only two categories
Cans@ .60
Everything else @.55
These are today's prices. Based on 100#'s or more.

Yep here it is...
UBC alum cans
Aluminum Rims
Extruded
MLC
Painted Alum
Cast Alum
Dirty Alum
Alum Transmissions

Originally Posted by junkfreak

Yep its all up to the yard.
The yard I use most often has only two categories
Cans@ .60
Everything else @.55
These are today's prices. Based on 100#'s or more.

Really it is not up to the yard it is up to the mill that the yard is currently selling to, if a yard gets a new package to fill, they might suddenly change how they buy, because they have changed how they sell, seems arbitrary to the retail customers, but there is a reason for it . technically straight EC wire pays better then extrusion or MLC, but how long will it take a yard to get 40K to ship..., so they mix it to get it gone

v/r HT1

Here it's cans, wheels, dirty, and all regular clean goes together as "aluminum".