Nationwide Secondary Refiner Looking for E-Scrap - Page 2

Ok so a few questions thanks for the feed back. The ($0.15)lb. is the charge price for proper CRT recycling.
Sorry about the confusion. We are in Mesquite TX. If you would like to ship loads to us you are more than welcome at any time. As for assay of your scrap metals and giving you a round about number for your gold refining in China that is something that no one can tell you unless you get the assay back and the refiner gives you the schedule. I am not one to tell you where to send your items we are in business like everyone else. We only hope to gain your business as your business grows.

Originally Posted by ddelatorre14

Ok so a few questions thanks for the feed back. The ($0.15)lb. is the charge price for proper CRT recycling.
Sorry about the confusion. We are in Mesquite TX. If you would like to ship loads to us you are more than welcome at any time. As for assay of your scrap metals and giving you a round about number for your gold refining in China that is something that no one can tell you unless you get the assay back and the refiner gives you the schedule. I am not one to tell you where to send your items we are in business like everyone else. We only hope to gain your business as your business grows.

The question was not about having an assay done and having the boards processed in China. The question was can you give an estimate on the return of PM from a load of boards sent to you before they are refined, and that they are non chinese boards. If you are running 30M pounds a month you should be able to give a close answer if not publicly then in a PM. IMHO

Each load is different I dont and wont give a estimate and have a customer call me back and be upset that they didnt get what I quoted. Its not fair to them. Every company that I deal with from large to small understands that their return is always bigger than if they were to just ship the boards and get paid for weight. If that answer is not acceptable im sorry you will have to ask for a refining schedule on a minimum of 2,000lbs. and I would be more than happy to send you over one and you can look it over. Gold changes every day and if I was to give you a price today its not the price when we close on the refining schedule. The time line is 30-45 days out so if the price goes up you will get more if the price goes down you will get less but its always more than the board price.

Originally Posted by ddelatorre14

Each load is different I dont and wont give a estimate and have a customer call me back and be upset that they didnt get what I quoted. Its not fair to them. Every company that I deal with from large to small understands that their return is always bigger than if they were to just ship the boards and get paid for weight. If that answer is not acceptable im sorry you will have to ask for a refining schedule on a minimum of 2,000lbs. and I would be more than happy to send you over one and you can look it over. Gold changes every day and if I was to give you a price today its not the price when we close on the refining schedule. The time line is 30-45 days out so if the price goes up you will get more if the price goes down you will get less but its always more than the board price.

I will agree with you and support that answer 100%. It is pretty much the same answer I would give to a customer asking about yields. I would be interested in looking at your schedule, If you would send me one to my email at the web site in the link at the bottom of this message it would be appreciated or let me know and I will send it to you in a PM.

Now for the million dollar question.

Are you processing the boards for the PM's or are you just incinerating, running a magnet to remove any steel and then melting into a dore bar and shipping to a copper refiner. Thus the lag time on setelment.

What do you offer on percentage of copper in material?

I sent you a PM

-Can we bring a load in personally to your facility, wait, and get paid that same day?
-Do we need an appointment?
-Average wait time in person?
-Is there an order minimum for drop-offs?
-Would we be paid in cash or check in person?
-Does our load need to be sorted?
-Can we watch you sort and weigh our load?
-Can we tour your facility while we wait for payment?

So to answer your question we are not a Scrap Yard!!
We deal with large scale companies Nationwide. You can bring in your items personally, yes you need an appointment, there is no wait time, The minium is as much as you would like to bring, you will be paid by check within 15 days, you need to sort your loads before you come to Mesquite, You can watch us weight and load your items if you like, you can tour our facility at any time. If you would like a tour please PM me so we can schedule for you to come visit. If you have read my post before I am willing to help anyone get started by answering as many questions as possible does that mean that your company be a good fit for ECS some times not and simes times yes. Can youy ship from any where in the US yes you can. I hope this helps to answer some questions that have lingered.

OK let me try to understand this a little better. IF someone sends you 2000 pounds of motherboards they have to hope your refining methods are better then the company they are currently using? If company a process pulls out x amount of gold and company b pulls out y amount of gold because of their diferent methods wouldnt you want to know that before you sent in 2000 pounds of boards? Or is that just the risk you take in this business? Im really just trying to learn more here as im growing enuff now to start looking for the best refiner I can. Since I dont have the 20000 lbs yet to send to the big guys over seas.

Originally Posted by PartTimeScrapper

OK let me try to understand this a little better. IF someone sends you 2000 pounds of motherboards they have to hope your refining methods are better then the company they are currently using? If company a process pulls out x amount of gold and company b pulls out y amount of gold because of their diferent methods wouldnt you want to know that before you sent in 2000 pounds of boards? Or is that just the risk you take in this business? Im really just trying to learn more here as im growing enuff now to start looking for the best refiner I can. Since I dont have the 20000 lbs yet to send to the big guys over seas.

As far as your question about company a vers comapany b you are pretty much correct. It is as much work to find a good consistant processor as it trying to find consistant board prices on the forum. They are in the buisness of moving product as fast as they can because of the tight margins they run under.

Processing boards is not an easy job, it's about like me telling you to go write a Broadway play and have it up and running in 60 days. Don't get me wrong I'm not backing this guy just yet, I'm still trying to find out what he does with the material. But I can't remember if he has been mentioned on the GRF or not and not going to go look at this time. If one of the other GRF members want to check and chime in it would help.

Now there are going to be some that will not like the following statement. But I'm fixing to bust your ******, blow your *** and bust your balloon with the following information. Read it more than once so it will sink in too.

Everyone says I want top dollar for my boards because of the gold in them, what gold yield will my refiner get out of the boards? Everyone wants to talk about what gold, palladium and platinum yields are in the boards. Well folks that is an impossible question to answer because the yields can be everywhere on the map. And it is not just because of the refiner and the process they use. A lot of it is just in the manufacturing of the products. Now here is the majic trick, While they have you concentrating on that shiney little piece of gold, palladium or platinum. Now gold you can sell all day long, palladium is a little more difficult with out fees and quantities to justify the fees, platinum is hard unless you know someone that deals in it a lot, And rhodium if you run across it it very tough to move. I have even had indium show up in some of my refined material. What everyone is missing unless they have done thier research is the copper, aluminum content, maybe lead, doubtful on tin. Go do some research on how much copper and aluminum is in a ton of boards. If you are going to get big enough to send boards to a refiner ask for percentages of these metals. Don't just go asking about the gold content. Also understand the that the vast majority possibly do not refine the metals they melt into a bar, have the bar assayed and send the bar to a copper refiner and the PM's are treated as a by product of the copper refining.

Would I send my stuff over seas? Probably not. Why would I want to pay the shipping fees first off? And the first golden rule in haveing your boards processed is never loose sight of your boards. If the processor will not let you or a representative of yours watch the process ask for your material back and run the other way. If you can't watch it then go get you some vaseline and a beer and be sure and ask for a kiss when you are done.

I will make note here that this gentelman seems to be willing to allow his customers to watch the process.

Very interesting stuff Barren........If I was closer I would take him up on the offer to tour the facilities............Oh well not going to that far anytime soon

All cell phones. let me know if you need anything else.

p4 are made cheaper faster and with less gold content. I hope that helps

please send me a pic dtorre@ecsrefining.com