Stockpiling CRT glass is never a good sign!!
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Stockpiling CRT glass is never a good sign!!
Auditor voices concerns about CRT processor | Resource Recycling
The untold story is the amount of volume they need to be profitable with a furnace...
In the aftermath of Creative, anyone stockpiling CRT glass is going to be heavily scrutinized... and they should be...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ewasted
Creative wasn't pitching to be a consumer... they were a processor. Closed loop's business model is to be a consumer. They require a certain amount of glass to get going... I have faith they will finally get going.
Without working furnace, just a plan to develop one, I hope they do get going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ewasted
How big does this problem have to get before we see subsidies from the government (garnished from the original manufacturers). I can get a few million dollars to put up a windmill that will likely never pay for itself, but if I open a plant to recycle hazardous monitors the government steps on my neck until I go broke. What is wrong with this picture. If its a volume issue then each state should have a dedicated recovery site where this can be dealt with economically.
Plan B: ship it all back to China..
BTW, I wish my brain would come up with a revolutionary/profitable way to recycle these things. I'd be a billionaire! Seems as illusive as perpetual motion I fear.
I cannot say as I blame them for dropping their R2. I DO hope they will follow through and finish what they started however.
Certifications like R2 are just BS anyways. Someone made up some standards and change an EXORBITANT amount of money to get it while marketing it to other companies and the public and a "needed thing". Most companies do not care...there certainly are some and many of the larger ones just want to be able to toot their horn to the public "SEE, we are following these cool certifications by only using those vendors...doesn't it make us look GREAT?". They really could care less in most instances, it is just good PR.
I don't want to sound negative, but made up certifications are just that. I could make one up and if I had enough marketing dollars, make the public and really most companies feel they HAD to have it. Because "being certified" gives the illusion that non certified people aren't doing it right.
Again, I hope they just follow their business model, build the furnace and be a destination for all that CRAP (CRT glass). It might have to be a government subsidized venture in the end in order to handle the toxic waste since it seems extremely difficult if not impossible to make money disposing of it. Amazing we never seem to think about that when we manufacture some items.
As I recall we had a thread a year or more ago about crt glass. One of the posts linked to a Federal government taking that glass off the hazardous waste list. I assume to reasoning is that the lead does not readily leach out.
I find this change in classification interesting. 73 Mike
The government has been spending billions over the years to contain radioactive waste as stable non leaching nuclear glass... so why sweat the small amount of lead in glass?
That would be interesting if the classification was changed.
I hope they fullfill, but I've seen this road with Tattooine in Cheyenne, Stone Castle in Salt Lake City, and that recycler in Kentucky.
How big does this problem have to get before we see subsidies from the government (garnished from the original manufacturers).<<<<<<<<
There has been a tax on new tv sales for years that was supposed to help with recycling crts. It is why Best Buy was letting people turn them in. I guess with no way to dispose at the end of the stream it is not enough. And noe BB charges.
At least it is all in one place
Perpetual motion.. I used to ponder this many a time. Perpetual motion - constant motion. So what are constants on Earth? The gravitational pull from the moon, constantly pulling the oceans water. Gravity from the center of the earth. Etc. Magnetism... Is where it's at.Quote:
Originally Posted by jiffy117
I'm going to be the one that brings up NuLife Glass again. I know people were getting sick of it before, but here goes. They have their furnace up and running in Buffalo NY and are looking at other locations. See the link below:
Recycling CRTs from Televisions & Computer Screens - © Nulife Glass
Impressive all I can say..........CRT technology has been around for what 75 years??........Why are we only now finding a viable way to extract the valuable lead from these tubesQuote:
Originally Posted by mthomasdev
They haven't REALLY cared until very recently. Recycling this stuff only became in vogue a few years back...well in huge volumes. Like everything, when old tech FINALLY has the nail in the coffin (LCD/LED is SO prevalent in the market now), people try to find ways to make money by solving a problem...hence how do we get rid of all this leaded glass.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
I think America has approached a wall .Quote:
Originally Posted by jiffy117
Regulations and more regulations
naturally fines hand in hand
Excellence and ideas are squashed .
Go ahead come up with a plan for CRT's
the far Left will do there best to stop you .
Actually, in the old days CRT tubes weren't as much of a problem, because CRTs were still in production. The old tubes could be used in the process of making new tubes. But, those days are over....
I wonder how much actual Lead metal is in those CRT's?
And what is the future of the metal Lead and whats its prices going to be?
Like what's the main consumer of Lead and how much can they afford to pay for it?
Obviously non radioactive lead is going to soon be nonexistent as well.
And can it be made into bricks to entomb Fukushima etc, or used in radioactive waste disposal?
I always assumed batteries were a main consumer for lead
Yep and they recycle lots of auto batts...Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
So what you are saying is they recycle enough batteries to meet the demand for the production of new batteries?
Just my $0.02 ...
Lead does not leach out of glass unless someone pulverizes it into powder ...
Looks like new automotive batteries are typically made with up to 80 percent recycled materials. Not sure why they would need new lead, need to look further into this. If they could use the lead from CRT's you would think the prices for new batteries could be somewhat cheaper, but then again storage, shipping and recycling regs for the auto batteries make the costs go up...Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
Seems like it would be a "No Brainer". Just use the glass instead of aggregates like stones & sand and make some concrete. Use the concrete to build radioactive waste disposal sites or entomb Fukashima.Quote:
Originally Posted by eesakiwi
Easy Peezy .... problem solved.
Was cleaning some CRT boards today and am still amazed by the technology used in these......All the wires, transistors, knobs, and god knows what else
Yeah I agree, when a 55inch flat screen is just three sheets of glass with near invisible stuff on it, some plastic sheets and two circuit boards the size of a large postcard and a bunch of very thin wires and some mylar....Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
You can also buy one with a weeks wages....
It took me 6 odd months to pay off a 25inch CRT in the early 90's... About 5 full wage packets. Now worth $4 in Copper....
Bullets and munitions for US and our friends in "Homeland Security.."Quote:
Originally Posted by eesakiwi
CRT Glass is no longer on the hazmat list(it actually was apparently at one point). It is however on the hazardous WASTE list. Government has stipulations for handling and transportation of hazmat (as well as storage) hazardous waste has special disposal requirements. I think the only reason it was taken off was to eliminate the cost of transport and storage. addendum- leaded glass cullet was hazmat.
A cathode ray tube (CRT) is the glass video display component of an electronic device (usually a computer or television monitor). CRT funnel glass generally contains high enough concentrations of lead that the glass is regulated as hazardous waste when disposed.-EPA
mike, they say 97% of all lead acid batteries are recycled, it's already a heavily regulated industry with established guidelines.
I can understand why they want to stockpile, it doesnt hurt if the glass has been paid for already, if they strategized it right they could ship the glass out for recovery at a cost if the furnace plan fell through. We tend to think of 47 million pounds as quite alot...and it is, but I look at it as dollar signs, an electric furnance for glass smelting would be prohibitively expensive unless they could pretty much pay for it out of hand with processed material...not to mention the costs of properly submitting, auditing and getting the process finalized for any sort of US lead recovery operation...have you ever seen guys stripping asbestos? Just saying, scale up the PPE about 1000 times. If they have a start up cost of 10 million dollars for a properly setup building, with a recovery furnace similar to what we saw in England...and lets say they get spot for lead...your still only talking 10 million net? 12? With a massive risk because the process has to TOTALLY extract the lead from the glass or it wont be reusable...ever...and have it's own cost.
If it was me auditing, I'd simply ask for a cost to dispose report and then ask they maintain an account for that purpose should their plans not work out. Seems pretty solid to me. At that weight...It would probably be easily a few million.
Here we go again.... If your CRT recycler is storing glass with no WORKING plan, you better watch out!!
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Originally Posted by hitechmike
wow.
It looks pretty grim doesn't it ?
I have to wonder at what point the government regulators will jump in. It would be better if private industry handled the disposal and the recycling of CRT's but that doesn't seem to be going very well. It might end up becoming a function of government like building roads and providing for the common defense.
It doesn't have to be a "for profit" operation if it's funded with taxpayer dollars.
My question is the people who are disposing of the glass "Legitimately".....what is happening to their waste......From what I understand these can be sent to landfill as long as it is a specially "lined" landfill...........Seems to me a problem is being created basically out of nothing............People had these Tv's in their house for 50 years and now all of the sudden it is considered HAZ WASTE (I know when broken chemicals are released)..........As far as I can tell there is not an operating furnace here in America.........They bury all the nuclear waste and that has to be more harmful than a CRT..........When this stuff gets "cleaned up" by land owners or Gov't I guarantee it will be buried
CRT's are like old tires, you pay to dispose of them so some corporation can get that fee and rent property to dump them on until they go bankrupt and leave the mess for the locals to sort out. Would not be shocked if some Tony Soprano guy was running that glass recycling outfit and has all the cash out in a secret bank account.
Yeah, it seems like the biggest thugs these days wear a three piece suit and run with a crew of lawyers. ;)
I'm still confused.......Someone tell me how any CRT's are getting "properly recycled"......What is the process and where is this being done........For instance if you drop it off at Best Buy is it then just shipped overseas and broken by some poor fellow in a third world country..........If a company has a no landfill guarantee is the glass just going to one of these "holding faciities"????.........In my opinion if someone is offering a NO LANDFILL GUARANTEE I would highly doubt it
I think most of these places are putting them in a landfill but it's one specifically for crt glass. Copied and pasted from the site of the company I plan on taking my tv glass when I get around to processing them. (I had been using best buy until they stopped accepting them)
Collection: We work with numerous State Agencies and Municipalities, to collect these materials directly from the generators, with over 2,000 collection points across the United States.
Recycling: We manually disassemble CRTs and recycle 50% of the materials, which include Copper, Plastic, and Steel bearing items. These items are ultimately refined into their raw material form, and used in the manufacturing of new Copper, Plastic, and Steel items…in essence creating a closed loop in the recycling chain.
Environmental: The glass tubes, which contain lead, are shredded and chemically treated to encapsulate the lead, and mitigate the environmental impact.
Containment: Treated glass is stored in an EPA certified and monitored “mineable cell” for storage, until economically viable and scalable processes for separating lead from glass become available
Sounds to me like a landfill. That or one hell of a warehouse.
Ok I'm definitely naïve on leaded glass, but can't it just be recycled into fine leaded crystal glass that so many people pay ridiculous prices for? Cant it convert into high end crystal goblets or something?
My recollection tells me that the leaded crystal glass is old which is in part why its worth so much. There are/were crystal decanters that the fancy people would put their expense liquor in. Turns out that the lead may have leached out of the glass into the liquor. So no making more leaded glass would not work out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragstoriches
Since there is no profit in the tv tubes it will be expensive and require many layers of government to maybe fix it. Mike