This could help even the old timers

So i was talking to a newbie scrapper in my area,he was telling me that this yard was paying him more than any yard around so i got into the finner detais,today he got 240.00 a ton for tin/shread.The funny thing he sold a little over two tons,I sold some tin/shread today for 230.00 a ton i sold 8 plus tons,so right away i got pissed,how could this new commer get more than me when he was selling a lot less weight?I work with this yard a lot and with out going into the amount of material it is substantial,something did not smell right with me so i asked him to see his ticket,and just like i thought the yard out smarted him.with out insulting him i asked him if knew there are different ways used to measure a ton,he said what am i talking about a ton is a ton.Well i showed him on his ticket they weighed his material in a METRic Ton there is a M in front of the word ton.I showed him my ticket there was a N in front of the word ton The N stands for Net ton.the difffernce being a net ton is 2000 lbs a metric tone is 2240 lbs,that means they are getting about 11% more there way buying it under the Metric system,Check your tickets Don't let them out smart you.

Otherwise known as a Short Ton and a Long Ton.

yes but idon't think they put long or short ton on invoice.

Some yards use net and gross ton.

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Noun 1. gross ton - a British unit of weight equivalent to 2240 pounds gross ton - a British unit of weight equivalent to 2240 pounds

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So that yard should be put in the same class as a common thief. I wonder how many other people they rip off on a daily basis?

My shred tickets just come out by the pound.

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Originally Posted by parrothead

My shred tickets just come out by the pound.

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and if you were in jolly o' England, you could get paid with pounds!! :p

Well the best way is to how you are getting paid and make sure you understand the math

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Originally Posted by 1956

So i was talking to a newbie scrapper in my area,he was telling me that this yard was paying him more than any yard around so i got into the finner detais,today he got 240.00 a ton for tin/shread.The funny thing he sold a little over two tons,I sold some tin/shread today for 230.00 a ton i sold 8 plus tons,so right away i got pissed,how could this new commer get more than me when he was selling a lot less weight?I work with this yard a lot and with out going into the amount of material it is substantial,something did not smell right with me so i asked him to see his ticket,and just like i thought the yard out smarted him.with out insulting him i asked him if knew there are different ways used to measure a ton,he said what am i talking about a ton is a ton.Well i showed him on his ticket they weighed his material in a METRic Ton there is a M in front of the word ton.I showed him my ticket there was a N in front of the word ton The N stands for Net ton.the difffernce being a net ton is 2000 lbs a metric tone is 2240 lbs,that means they are getting about 11% more there way buying it under the Metric system,Check your tickets Don't let them out smart you.

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I understand your feelings, however, that said, it's a free market, not a fair market, just be dam* glad your getttng $230 a ton. we are getting $160 .$180 here. just sayin.

I have seen a map of the country broke into zones for scrap metal prices,the south east zone alway,s pay,s high prices I don,t know why it's just the way it is.

I thought all yards measured in metric ton. Just like all gold is measured by a troy ounce.

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Originally Posted by VERYOLDGUY

I thought all yards measured in metric ton. Just like all gold is measured by a troy ounce.

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Mine pays by the net ton.

Well in this country a ton is 2000 lbs like you know we are selling our product here not abroad, when you sell abroad they get the exchange rate on the money unless they state U.S Dollar I believe the yards that pay by the metric ton are thief,s

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Originally Posted by 1956

Well in this country a ton is 2000 lbs like you know we are selling our product here not abroad, when you sell abroad they get the exchange rate on the money unless they state U.S Dollar I believe the yards that pay by the metric ton are thief,s

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I know, but sell gold here it is troy ounce. Call Sims or, Iskiwitz, or Lazro Brothers in TN and ask them what ton they are quoting and all will tell you metric. I have never had a yard here pay by the net ton.
I did not realize that any yard did. I believe you guys just was not aware of it.

Net ton here. When talking precious metal troy ounces is recognized around the world and is the standard used in the industry.

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Originally Posted by BRASSCATCHER

So that yard should be put in the same class as a common thief. I wonder how many other people they rip off on a daily basis?

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I wouldn't call them thieves, it said metric ton right on the reciet. It's not thiere fault if the guy didn't read the reciet.

Net pounds here.

So doing the math he got $240 a M ton so $240 / 2240 = .107
and you got $230 a net ton so $230 / 2000 = .115
Difference of .008 per pound.

:)1956 i send you a PM.

Just to get it ,i check the Net,


Metric ton is 1000 kg ( 2,204.623 lb)



Long ton 1,016.047 Kg (2,240 lb )


Here is the link Ton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I hope it helps.

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Originally Posted by VERYOLDGUY

I know, but sell gold here it is troy ounce. Call Sims or, Iskiwitz, or Lazro Brothers in TN and ask them what ton they are quoting and all will tell you metric. I have never had a yard here pay by the net ton.
I did not realize that any yard did. I believe you guys just was not aware of it.

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Thats why I goto Worleys, Midtown, or Rivercity. Rivercity paying the most.

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Originally Posted by VERYOLDGUY

I know, but sell gold here it is troy ounce. Call Sims or, Iskiwitz, or Lazro Brothers in TN and ask them what ton they are quoting and all will tell you metric. I have never had a yard here pay by the net ton.
I did not realize that any yard did. I believe you guys just was not aware of it.

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Thats why I goto Worleys, Midtown, or Rivercity. Rivercity paying the most.

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Originally Posted by happyscraper

I wouldn't call them thieves, it said metric ton right on the reciet. It's not thiere fault if the guy didn't read the reciet.

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Ok maybe not a thief, but you have to admit it is misleading. We are not on the metric system in this country and most do not know the conversions, so then I have to believe that yard knows they are getting over on most people.

Brasscatcher,hit it right on the head,misleading people, how many of us on this forum that buy there scrap pay by the metric system?its just a another method of taking advantage of most people,the least that they could do is post the differences if they were not trying to mislead.

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Originally Posted by BRASSCATCHER

Net ton here. When talking precious metal troy ounces is recognized around the world and is the standard used in the industry.

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I read about the Manhatten project years ago & I always remember this quote.
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Construction began in February 1943 under the management of Stone and Webster.
Because of a wartime shortage of copper, the massive electromagnetic coils were made with 14,700 tons of coinage silver from U.S. government vaults at West Point.[1][2]
Colonel Kenneth D. Nichols met with the Under Secretary of the Treasury, Daniel W. Bell, and requested between five and ten thousand tons of silver.

Bell's stunned reply was "Colonel, in the Treasury we do not speak of tons of silver; our unit is the troy ounce."

Thus the Manhattan Engineer District requested and was loaned 395 million troy ounces of silver (13,540 short tons, 12,300 tonnes) from the West Point Depository for the duration of the Manhattan Project. Special guards and accountants were assigned to the silver, and their responsible caretaking meant that at the end of the war, less than 0.0036% out of more than $300 million worth of silver was lost to the process, with the remainder returned to the Treasury.

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Originally Posted by VERYOLDGUY

I know, but sell gold here it is troy ounce. Call Sims or, Iskiwitz, or Lazro Brothers in TN and ask them what ton they are quoting and all will tell you metric. I have never had a yard here pay by the net ton.
I did not realize that any yard did. I believe you guys just was not aware of it.

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Sims here in Tulsa pays by Net Ton

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Originally Posted by BRASSCATCHER

Ok maybe not a thief, but you have to admit it is misleading. We are not on the metric system in this country and most do not know the conversions, so then I have to believe that yard knows they are getting over on most people.

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Of course they do. At my yard you have to specifically ASK for bare bright, they claim it is insider information. Also you have to ASK for a bump if you bring in large quantities. Example, aluminum cans are 60 cents but if you bring in over 50lbs they will pay you 65 cents, but only if you request it. Nowhere is there anything posted about these so called policies. I have also stated before that some guys pay me more than others on some items. I had a guy tell me last saturday, Thanks for organizing all of this for us, i really appreciate it. Then when i got my ticket he whispered that he gave me a bump in pricing. I think its low, and i think its bad business.

Old saying goes like this "never assume anything" in business. Just break the word "assume" into its basic parts and you'll understand why. When you "ass-u-me" something it can makes an A$$ out of U and ME.

By the way, my yards pay in Net Ton.

Gah I need a new yard. Twenty a net ton for tin here. That translates to a penny a pound my friends. I wish I could find a yard with those kinds of prices that wasn't a few hours away

Around here $50 will rent you a big Uhaul for a few hours, wait till you have a big load and haul it the few hours,
We put about 18,000 lb of TV's in one.

We used to have a uhaul place idk if they left town or relocated or what there's a sign that says "no uhaul" out by the road lol I'm gonna find out what's up thanks for the tip all I got now is a truck with a twelve foot trailer I've fit about 3000 on it before though

All the yards I deal with have the price on the board listed by ton (2000 lbs) and listed out on invoice by pounds. I have never seen it otherwise.

That's a great tip for new guys to the game. Thanks for posting that. I'm a little smarter now thanks to you. Lol

I don't think it is the yard's way of riping someone off. The yard has worked with you for years and knows how you process your shred. This other guy may have more garbage in his loads and that is their way of compensating for it. I know that when I take stuff in to my yard, they see me pull onto the scale and know that I know where to go and what to unload where. Most the time the guys come over more to BS than to see what's in my truck. If the guy is busy working on the crane loading an outgoing truck then he will just wave and let me be. Taking in my other metals to the small scale they always look at what I have and just double check that I am getting the best price I can for what I bring in. I had a single 1LB piece of AL Siding which is .05 more than just clean AL here and he pulled it out and weighed it separate from my AL. Plus if its slow he will go through what I brought in and show me ways to get a better price and whatnot.