Thanks NH for the input, maybe I'll tell him of the value but this is South Dakota so even with landscapers, the price might be discounted a lot. Was that 30 years more to a nice size based on NH precip? We get about 24 inches ave. in Sioux Falls. Some trees grow pretty fast, others are slow. I have 2 planted butternuts that I planted at the back of property. Bought them mail-order 5+ years ago at about 18+ inches above the root line. Sort of at the end of their range here, there not in the best of soil (heavy clay loam), and I haven't watered them regularly, just mostly rain (snow) fed. Both are still alive but only about 30 inches tall. I'll be dead or a very old man they way they're growing before they are a decent shade tree and bearing nuts...