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    The reality shows bother me as well...

    What people don't generally know is when, like on the "Gold Rush" series, people are complaining about not making any money, they are still being paid. According to the Actors Guild, they have to be paid at least $1,000 per episode. The reality is (no pun intended) if they have a halfway decent manager, they are probably making a lot more off the show than they are making in gold, or picking, or buying auctioned storage units, etc.

    Another thing that bothers me in these shows is that the "stars" always seem to be ripping someone off, the pawn shops pay less than value, the storage units are auctioning off peoples items, the pickers are selling them items for many times more than what they paid for them. It seems to me they are encouraging the idea it's okay to profit from other peoples misfortune or their own greed.

    Just my humble opinion, but I really believe that shows like these are adding to the decay of our society under the guise of entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NobleMetalWorks View Post
    The reality shows bother me as well...

    What people don't generally know is when, like on the "Gold Rush" series, people are complaining about not making any money, they are still being paid. According to the Actors Guild, they have to be paid at least $1,000 per episode. The reality is (no pun intended) if they have a halfway decent manager, they are probably making a lot more off the show than they are making in gold, or picking, or buying auctioned storage units, etc.

    Another thing that bothers me in these shows is that the "stars" always seem to be ripping someone off, the pawn shops pay less than value, the storage units are auctioning off peoples items, the pickers are selling them items for many times more than what they paid for them. It seems to me they are encouraging the idea it's okay to profit from other peoples misfortune or their own greed.

    Just my humble opinion, but I really believe that shows like these are adding to the decay of our society under the guise of entertainment.

    Scott
    Yes, great response Scott. There is definetely a "ethics" question when you are in the business of buying in order to resell. At what point does getting a "good deal" turn into "ripping off" someone. Some food for thought and could probably lead into hundreds of responses, so I'll just leave it as a rhetorical question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NobleMetalWorks View Post
    The reality shows bother me as well...

    What people don't generally know is when, like on the "Gold Rush" series, people are complaining about not making any money, they are still being paid. According to the Actors Guild, they have to be paid at least $1,000 per episode. The reality is (no pun intended) if they have a halfway decent manager, they are probably making a lot more off the show than they are making in gold, or picking, or buying auctioned storage units, etc.

    Another thing that bothers me in these shows is that the "stars" always seem to be ripping someone off, the pawn shops pay less than value, the storage units are auctioning off peoples items, the pickers are selling them items for many times more than what they paid for them. It seems to me they are encouraging the idea it's okay to profit from other peoples misfortune or their own greed.

    Just my humble opinion, but I really believe that shows like these are adding to the decay of our society under the guise of entertainment.

    Scott
    Your humble opinion? Ripping People off? You sound like a socialistic. Does Hussein pay you each month? Look, people have to make money to eat to survive don't be jealous just because they are making money and you are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savage85 View Post
    Your humble opinion? Ripping People off? You sound like a socialistic. Does Hussein pay you each month? Look, people have to make money to eat to survive don't be jealous just because they are making money and you are not.
    I sound like a socialistic? You mean a socialist? Do you even know what a socialist is? A better insult would have been to call me a communist.

    If you want to talk about political science, and are seriously curious as to what my interests are, you can message me. I'm no different than what our for-fathers were. I think insulting me in public forum without actually knowing who and what I am was a bit rude, but no matter. It did make me laugh.

    Now that you have taken a cheap shot at me, I would like to give you an example of what I am talking about. I'll use storage units as an example. On those types of reality shows what they are showing you are almost always someone's storage locker that has come up for auction because the person who had it could not afford to pay the price of the storage locker anymore, and had no place to put the items because most likely they were homeless, living with relatives or trying to make ends meet so they could provide for their family, or worse.

    How did they get into this situation? Usually of no fault of their own. Banks were illegally throwing loans at people, just like in the 80s during the S&L debacle. I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with the term NINJA loan but it means No Income, No Job, No Assets. They didn't check anything and threw the money at people who were looking to purchase houses. They did this because as fast as they could write the loans, investors were buying the bad debt. Then the investors were putting these portfolios together and selling them to other banks, and the problem was perpetuated over and over, again and again.

    Now take your average joe blow US Citizen, hard working, honest, providing for their family, etc. Lets say they are a manager at your local super market. The Wallmart moves in (Which I consider to be just about as anti-American as can be). The super market is just simply out of luck because it happens to be a super Wallmart moving in. They open, they sell their items for far less than any of the competition and once they drive their competition out, they raise their prices. That manager at the local super market looses their job, their good paying job that provided them with insurance for their family. Now what do they do, go to work at Wallmart for minimum wage? How can they, they have their loan to pay on their home.

    Meanwhile, their 5 year interest only NINJA loan is coming up, and they have to start paying on it. During the period of time when things were great, this family probably started buying on credit, because this is what our Government, banks and financing institutions were encouraging us to do. So they have their credit card debt, they lost a good job, their NINJA loan is coming up so they try to sell their house, and try to sell it fast. Right at the same time all the baby boomers are starting to retire and selling their own homes to pull the equity out for their retirement. The housing market crashes, and I don't mean like it did during the S&L scandal, but far worse.

    At the same time Walmart is offering to pay new employees minimum wage with no insurance, matter of fact they are teaching their employees how to get public assistance, and health insurance.

    So Mr Joe Blow can't sell his house, no matter what he tries to do, his credit card debt gets out of hand because that's now the only way he can make ends meet, pay the bills, buy food, clothes for his kids for school, etc etc etc. And now the bank forecloses on his house, because he has no job his credit cards go into collection, so he gets all his worldly belongings together and stuffs it into a storage locker.

    And the next thing you know someone is auctioning off all the things of this world his family owns, and some idiotic characters are playing out some childish drama on some ridicules reality TV show. It's the TV show that is praying on the disassembling of our great nation. It started with the banking and credit card institutions, it was propagated by the ultra rich, and is now digested and presented to the American Public as entertainment. I don't see how not liking this situation and commenting on it makes me a socialist, on the contrary, I believe we need to have more small business owners, because it's honestly people who own businesses who have any say at all about anything. When this nation was at it's strongest is when there were more business owners. Now there are more people on public assistance, which seems like socialism to me, while all their worldly possessions are being auctioned off on some reality program.

    It's idiot TV, whatever sucks in the sheaple so they can continue selling add space for junk made in China. If you are profiting off someone's misfortune, then shame on you I say. If we all stood up as one single voice and demanded that the banks be held accountable, that the huge companies that were bailed out be held accountable for their actions, nobody would be loosing their homes today. We wouldn't have this huge giant socialistic burden in the form of public assistance to bear right now. We would be strong instead of economically fragile.

    So excuse me for believing in the individual instead of the giant corporations. Excuse me for not thinking that tearing apart someone's life is entertaining. Excuse me for being sick and tired of the American dream being ripped out of the hands of so many people who have worked so hard for so many years to realize it.

    I think next time, before you post about something you know absolutely nothing about you should ask first instead of making yourself out to be totally ignorant. It only takes a second to ask, but it takes a lifetime to change someone's mind once you have made yourself to look a specific way.

    I have lost, and rebuilt my life twice over already. I am self made, and worked very hard to get to the point in my life I am at. I am putting my daughter through Stanford University, I have paid off the house my ex-wife currently lives in and I have no debt. I have also helped other people, friends and family, keep their homes and even helped one start a business. You sir, owe me an apology!

    And if I might add my own assumptions, you sound like someone who is about 27-29 years of age. I bet I could easily profile you, and if you would like, I would truly enjoy doing so right here on the forum, just for entertainment value, then we can see how you like it, someone profiting off your misfortune.

    Scott
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    Quote Originally Posted by savage85 View Post
    Your humble opinion? Ripping People off? You sound like a socialistic. Does Hussein pay you each month? Look, people have to make money to eat to survive don't be jealous just because they are making money and you are not.
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