Partnership Contract

**logansryche** · 01-09-2015, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Ewasted

I think you missed the point... There are many companies handling glass.. that is capitalism.

Right but CRTs aren't just glass but leaded glass and if their not sending it to a processor, their exporting it and that's illegal(it's no wonder Japan hate us).

Originally Posted by Ewasted

But if you are using CRT recycling as a platform, and certainly something you are passionate about, why are you not joining their team? and avoiding partnerships and soliciting money to start a business?

No company or organization I've come across has any sort of thing like that or I would have. To answer your second part, I enjoy working with people and a partnership would also show trust.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Ewasted

My observation is more enthusiasm about CRT recycling than having your own business... chase your passion not the perceived money.

I mean no disrespect and take criticism constructively. I saw that this nation has a problem CRTs and figured if some took the matter as seriously as I do, they'd help. Sure I'm in New York, sure it'll cost alot to ship a bunch of CRTs depending on your location but I see it as a benefit rather then a burden. You guys might have your own "guy" that takes CRTs off your hands but do you really know where those CRTs go? When I send my tubes to NuLife I know exactly where their going. I didn't want to make CRTs my main business but it looks like I just did.

-Matt

**mthomasdev** · 01-09-2015, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by logansryche

Right but CRTs aren't just glass but leaded glass and if their not sending it to a processor, their exporting it and that's illegal(it's no wonder Japan hate us).

Exporting them is not illegal. I posted some links (forgot what thread), that listed companies that were approved to export for reuse, companies that were approved to export for recycling and countries that were approved to be exported to. This information was available on the EPA website.

**logansryche** · 01-09-2015, 05:42 PM

Ok

Recycling Company Fined $4.5 Million for Illegal Export of Electronic Waste; Executives Receive Prison Sentences: Environmental and Natural Resources Law, Attorneys, Beveridge & Diamond
Fake Recycler Convicted of Criminal Charges for E-Waste Exporting
Call For Environment Agency To Review Export Of CRT Glass | CIWM Journal Online
Businesses fail to audit e-waste, fuelling illegal exports
Executive Recycling Owner Facing Federal Charges « CBS Denver
http://www.lexology.com/library/deta...1-816dac3b0c6e

**mthomasdev** · 01-09-2015, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by mthomasdev

Exporting them is not illegal. I posted some links (forgot what thread), that listed companies that were approved to export for reuse, companies that were approved to export for recycling and countries that were approved to be exported to. This information was available on the EPA website.

**logansryche** · 01-09-2015, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by mthomasdev

Touche. However, in reading the second link, a CRT can only be exported IF proof is shown that the CRT will be reused(like if a pallet of CRTs were sent to Africa along with computers for the children) and if that country the CRTs are being exported to refuses to accept them, the exporter must pay to have them sent back. Also states that CRTs can only be exported for recycling AFTER it's been processed(which makes sense since NuLife sends the lead to different battery makers and the glass to different glass makers).

This means though that CRTs still need to be processed first(ie: seperation of lead and glass) before exporting can be done. This also makes sense in companies, business', and organizations taking on CRTs and attempting to process/export themselves and fail so they don't make a profit and go out of business. Of course the only alternative for a person in my position would be to accept CRTs for free or charge a fee per monitor/tv. Either way there's a charge I guess.

-Matt

**Ewasted** · 01-10-2015, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by logansryche

Right but CRTs aren't just glass but leaded glass and if their not sending it to a processor, their exporting it and that's illegal(it's no wonder Japan hate us).

No company or organization I've come across has any sort of thing like that or I would have. To answer your second part, I enjoy working with people and a partnership would also show trust.

I mean no disrespect and take criticism constructively. I saw that this nation has a problem CRTs and figured if some took the matter as seriously as I do, they'd help. Sure I'm in New York, sure it'll cost alot to ship a bunch of CRTs depending on your location but I see it as a benefit rather then a burden. You guys might have your own "guy" that takes CRTs off your hands but do you really know where those CRTs go? When I send my tubes to NuLife I know exactly where their going. I didn't want to make CRTs my main business but it looks like I just did.

-Matt[/QUOTE]

Matt.
With all due respect, I understand alot about the CRT recycling/recovery process. I have been in e waste for almost a decade. There are other CRT recyclers generating lead ingots or manufacturing byproducts with the remaining leaded panel glass.... You never visited Nulife, and are going by what they told you over the phone. I have completed my due diligence and passed a 3rd party audit regarding all of my downstreams, including the CRT processor (our "Own" guy).

I know EXACTLY where it goes and how much of it goes there.

The CRT issue is not a new issue it has been an issue for the last 5-7 years... this is not a new opportunity at all.

**logansryche** · 01-10-2015, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Ewasted

Matt. With all due respect, I understand alot about the CRT recycling/recovery process. I have been in e waste for almost a decade. There are other CRT recyclers generating lead ingots or manufacturing byproducts with the remaining leaded panel glass.... You never visited Nulife, and are going by what they told you over the phone. I have completed my due diligence and passed a 3rd party audit regarding all of my down streams, including the CRT processor (our "Own" guy). I know EXACTLY where it goes and how much of it goes there. The CRT issue is not a new issue it has been an issue for the last 5-7 years... this is not a new opportunity at all.

You're right - I inquired about that and they said that anyone that shows up there even for a tour would be arrested. It made sense. I never said the issue was new, but the last I'd say month I'd say it became more of an issue? At least from a media standpoint it seemed to be.

I do feel bad now though because I don't have anything to offer anyone for helping me get up and running.

-Matt

**Ewasted** · 01-10-2015, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by logansryche

You're right - I inquired about that and they said that anyone that shows up there even for a tour would be arrested. It made sense. I never said the issue was new, but the last I'd say month I'd say it became more of an issue? At least from a media standpoint it seemed to be.

I do feel bad now though because I don't have anything to offer anyone for helping me get up and running.

-Matt

If they would arrest you for a due diligence evaluation, which they currently lack 3rd party evaluation to justify no "visitors", I would run fast and far. Especially being that it is CRT monitors we are talking about and not an item like AC Adapters...

**logansryche** · 01-10-2015, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Ewasted

If they would arrest you for a due diligence evaluation, which they currently lack 3rd party evaluation to justify no "visitors", I would run fast and far. Especially being that it is CRT monitors we are talking about and not an item like AC Adapters...

Yeah, truck's supose to go back up on the lift for exhaust work. I keep a thread on a couple of facebook groups and I'll be posting that I won't be able to accept CRTs period, simple as that. Leaves me with appliance pickup and buying whole electronics. Not a total loss. I won't need any certifications or permits as I have a room set aside for dismantling electronics. I'll eventually save up for that EPA Registration and HVAC Recovery equipment - I believe they'll be worth it in the long run.

-Matt

**HiTechMike** · 01-12-2015, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Ewasted

If they would arrest you for a due diligence evaluation, which they currently lack 3rd party evaluation to justify no "visitors", I would run fast and far. Especially being that it is CRT monitors we are talking about and not an item like AC Adapters...

NuLife Glass has had an independent third party audit preformed by Greeneye Partners, so they are legit.

FAQs - © Nulife Glass

**HiTechMike** · 01-12-2015, 07:31 AM

[QUOTE/]You guys might have your own "guy" that takes CRTs off your hands but do you really know where those CRTs go?[/QUOTE]

The company I work for is R2/RIOS certified. These are two of the highest certifications in the electronics recycling industry. We work hard to maintain them and go through rigorous third party audits on a regular basis. What this means is, we do our due diligence. Not only do we know where our "guy" sends CRT's, we know where his "guy" sends CRT's, and so on and so forth. The point I was trying to make in my post about the other companies was that there are a lot of companies working on the CRT problem. Some of the heavy hitters in this industry are also working on solutions.

Here is an article that just came out today from Recycling Today about NuLife Glass.

RT - Recycling Today

**logansryche** · 01-12-2015, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by HiTechMike

[QUOTE/]You guys might have your own "guy" that takes CRTs off your hands but do you really know where those CRTs go?

The company I work for is R2/RIOS certified. These are two of the highest certifications in the electronics recycling industry. We work hard to maintain them and go through rigorous third party audits on a regular basis. What this means is, we do our due diligence. Not only do we know where our "guy" sends CRT's, we know where his "guy" sends CRT's, and so on and so forth. The point I was trying to make in my post about the other companies was that there are a lot of companies working on the CRT problem. Some of the heavy hitters in this industry are also working on solutions.

Here is an article that just came out today from Recycling Today about NuLife Glass.

RT - Recycling Today[/QUOTE]Don't take any of this the wrong way and try to see this from my view. With the exception to those on here that are R2 certified, how many scrappers do you know of that accept CRTs that process them correctly? I don't know of any outside NuLife. Speaking of, thanks for that article. Only shows their persistence to build facilities to process CRTs(especially with the collapse of the CRT processing facility that was there. I forget the town or the name of the place).

-Matt