Partnership Contract - Page 4

Originally Posted by logansryche

These four companies, along with NuLife Glass

I figured you had already posted a link to them somewhere. All five companies have different ways of recycling them. It was an interesting session to listen to.

I bet but no, I don't recall posting a link to their site. When I spoke to John from NuLife he told me the process and it was good enough for me.

Originally Posted by Ewasted

I think you missed the point... There are many companies handling glass.. that is capitalism.

Right but CRTs aren't just glass but leaded glass and if their not sending it to a processor, their exporting it and that's illegal(it's no wonder Japan hate us).

Originally Posted by Ewasted

But if you are using CRT recycling as a platform, and certainly something you are passionate about, why are you not joining their team? and avoiding partnerships and soliciting money to start a business?

No company or organization I've come across has any sort of thing like that or I would have. To answer your second part, I enjoy working with people and a partnership would also show trust.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Ewasted

My observation is more enthusiasm about CRT recycling than having your own business... chase your passion not the perceived money.

I mean no disrespect and take criticism constructively. I saw that this nation has a problem CRTs and figured if some took the matter as seriously as I do, they'd help. Sure I'm in New York, sure it'll cost alot to ship a bunch of CRTs depending on your location but I see it as a benefit rather then a burden. You guys might have your own "guy" that takes CRTs off your hands but do you really know where those CRTs go? When I send my tubes to NuLife I know exactly where their going. I didn't want to make CRTs my main business but it looks like I just did.

-Matt

Originally Posted by logansryche

Right but CRTs aren't just glass but leaded glass and if their not sending it to a processor, their exporting it and that's illegal(it's no wonder Japan hate us).

Exporting them is not illegal. I posted some links (forgot what thread), that listed companies that were approved to export for reuse, companies that were approved to export for recycling and countries that were approved to be exported to. This information was available on the EPA website.

All cities have building codes maybe not the material, but the structual soundness of it, I don't think using pallets to frame a building would be safe, and you need a foundation, or a slab to build onto, also you need to think about the roofing material. Even if you did manage to meet code with pallets If you have neighbors this is crazy because they would probably flip if you started building a pallet shack off of your driveway, also if you have neighbors they will complain about having a forklift making noise all day and such.

This does sound like a smart plan though, it has the potential to make $. Also that 2k tubes in 12 hours is ridiculous. People working for you aren't going to rip through tubes like you would trying to get done.

Lots to consider. Hope it works out.

Originally Posted by DevinThaScrapper

All cities have building codes maybe not the material, but the structual soundness of it, I don't think using pallets to frame a building would be safe, and you need a foundation, or a slab to build onto, also you need to think about the roofing material. Even if you did manage to meet code with pallets If you have neighbors this is crazy because they would probably flip if you started building a pallet shack off of your driveway, also if you have neighbors they will complain about having a forklift making noise all day and such.

This does sound like a smart plan though, it has the potential to make $. Also that 2k tubes in 12 hours is ridiculous. People working for you aren't going to rip through tubes like you would trying to get done.

Lots to consider. Hope it works out.

I appreciate your humor, really - I don't think I'll have an issue with anyone around me. One neighbor on one side of me runs a garage and fakes not speaking english whenever an officer goes over there, neighbor behind me is never home, neighbor next to me is home and neighbor across the street doesn't bother me. I've looked into how I want to build this using pallets and everything's sound. I would share if I could. Roofing will be that metal roof. I've already taken into account needing a concrete floor.

-Matt

Originally Posted by mthomasdev

Exporting them is not illegal. I posted some links (forgot what thread), that listed companies that were approved to export for reuse, companies that were approved to export for recycling and countries that were approved to be exported to. This information was available on the EPA website.

Companies Approved to Export Cathode Ray Tubes for Recycling | International Waste Activities | US EPA
Companies Exporting Cathode Ray Tubes for Reuse | International Waste Activities | US EPA
Export Requirements for Cathode Ray Tubes | International Waste Activities | US EPA

Former Crew Supervisor Barbie Harrington at Tatooine <------I found this person on facebook. Maybe she can be part of your research. I admire what you're trying to do. CRTs are a nightmare no matter how one looks at it.

What am I trying to do?

I know more about Tatooine, but I won't bring that into the public. The DEQ knows most of it anyways. It was a huge mess, though.

What I was trying to point out was that CRTs often become large problems. Our city still takes them for free. They're overwhelmed to the point that TVs are being snowed on outside. That's in violation of DEQ rules right there.

I could see a pallet building getting expensive quickly.

I agree that 1200 CRTs a day is unrealistic for a startup company. Maybe someday, but certainly not right off the bat!

As I've said before, start small, and grow. Otherwise, how much money have you invested into something that's failed? I certainly hope it doesn't fail, but you never know in business.

If it did, the last thing I'd want is to be stuck with CRT tubes, the DEQ/EPA on my rear, and a worthless building that I've dumped money into erecting.

Of course, your DEQ may be relaxed. Ours told me that turning an old school bus into a processing center was perfectly fine. If they're sending legal notifications, they're not likely relaxed.

Ever since Tatooine, our DEQ has gotten a lot more strict. That's why I will not handle CRTs any more. No way, no how.

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I agree with Ewasted. It sounds like CRTs are your passion, not your career. I'd look into doing something profitable in recycling, and teaming up with NuLife. Basing a business on something that doesn't make money doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

Just my $0.02

matador: "I can turn a school bus into a building legally, yet they have problems with my actual buildings!?"

Originally Posted by matador

What am I trying to do? I know more about Tatooine, but I won't bring that into the public. The DEQ knows most of it anyways. It was a huge mess, though. What I was trying to point out was that CRTs often become large problems. Our city still takes them for free. They're overwhelmed to the point that TVs are being snowed on outside. That's in violation of DEQ rules right there. I could see a pallet building getting expensive quickly. I agree that 1200 CRTs a day is unrealistic for a startup company. Maybe someday, but certainly not right off the bat! As I've said before, start small, and grow. Otherwise, how much money have you invested into something that's failed? I certainly hope it doesn't fail, but you never know in business. If it did, the last thing I'd want is to be stuck with CRT tubes, the DEQ/EPA on my rear, and a worthless building that I've dumped money into erecting. Of course, your DEQ may be relaxed. Ours told me that turning an old school bus into a processing center was perfectly fine. If they're sending legal notifications, they're not likely relaxed. Ever since Tatooine, our DEQ has gotten a lot more strict. That's why I will not handle CRTs any more. No way, no how.

I agree with Ewasted. It sounds like CRTs are your passion, not your career. I'd look into doing something profitable in recycling, and teaming up with NuLife. Basing a business on something that doesn't make money doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Just my $0.02
matador: "I can turn a school bus into a building legally, yet they have problems with my actual buildings!?"

As I've said I agree you and EWasted and everyone that's made good points in here. I didn't start dismantling with the hopes of attempting to lobby for CRTs, actually started this with dismantling computers, automation, and telecom equipment. The last time I spoke with NuLife about buying the tubes from me or setting a price for a contract, I was told there was no money in it so they wouldn't be able to. It just might be that I have to find a processor that buys them.

-Matt

You might be right in which case I should give up on CRTs all together. Refocus on why I got into dismantling in the first place.

Originally Posted by Ewasted

Matt. With all due respect, I understand alot about the CRT recycling/recovery process. I have been in e waste for almost a decade. There are other CRT recyclers generating lead ingots or manufacturing byproducts with the remaining leaded panel glass.... You never visited Nulife, and are going by what they told you over the phone. I have completed my due diligence and passed a 3rd party audit regarding all of my down streams, including the CRT processor (our "Own" guy). I know EXACTLY where it goes and how much of it goes there. The CRT issue is not a new issue it has been an issue for the last 5-7 years... this is not a new opportunity at all.

You're right - I inquired about that and they said that anyone that shows up there even for a tour would be arrested. It made sense. I never said the issue was new, but the last I'd say month I'd say it became more of an issue? At least from a media standpoint it seemed to be.

I do feel bad now though because I don't have anything to offer anyone for helping me get up and running.


-Matt

Originally Posted by Ewasted

If they would arrest you for a due diligence evaluation, which they currently lack 3rd party evaluation to justify no "visitors", I would run fast and far. Especially being that it is CRT monitors we are talking about and not an item like AC Adapters...

Yeah, truck's supose to go back up on the lift for exhaust work. I keep a thread on a couple of facebook groups and I'll be posting that I won't be able to accept CRTs period, simple as that. Leaves me with appliance pickup and buying whole electronics. Not a total loss. I won't need any certifications or permits as I have a room set aside for dismantling electronics. I'll eventually save up for that EPA Registration and HVAC Recovery equipment - I believe they'll be worth it in the long run.

-Matt