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    Quote Originally Posted by hills View Post
    Gee ... i think i would have to disagree on that point.

    I tend to look at it the way a naturalist would. Take a black bear for instance. It takes quite a bit to keep his belly full. He needs a certain number of square miles of land for forage. Put two bears into that space and they're going to have to fight for that territory.

    It's the same thing only different with humans. The Gaia can only provide resources for a limited number of humans. I'm not talking about the fancy stuff. Just the basics like food, water, shelter, and fire. Clean drinkable water is a problem in a lot of places right now. What ... figure an average of one fire per human ? That's over seven billion fires burning, spewing out heat, and making air pollution. We can genetically engineer our crops to produce twice the yield per acre but what about when that isn't enough ?

    Let me ask a question: Could the land Las Vegas is built upon sustain the human population above -or- is it inherently out of balance with it's natural environment ?

    What would happen if the supply chain going into Las Vegas were suddenly cut ? No food ? No water coming in ? No electricity ?
    You won't catch me defending the existence of Las Vegas lol. Most countries have massive food surpluses. The US for example wastes 30-40% of its food production every year. We currently have problems of insufficient access not insufficient quantity. We often forget that Ethiopia was a net exporter of wheat during its 1980s famines because the problem was an economic inability to obtain food, not an insufficient quantity of it. Another example, on any given night there are about 550,000 homeless people in the US and currently around 17,000,000 empty homes and that doesn't count the huge number of homes being used for airbnb and other 'short term rental'. The problem is access, not quantity. Overpopulation is a myth. Overconsumption is not.


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