Board grading

[Bear]

I think it has to do with the law of averages

So, you send in new(chinese) boards, and I send older American made, and they "average" that out into their "mix", and so we both get the same price for our very different boards?
Your "hamburger", for my "ribeye" ?
Doesn't sound like such a sweet deal to me, Mike ; )

[mikeinreco]

So, you send in new(chinese) boards, and I send older American made, and they "average" that out into their "mix", and so we both get the same price for our very different boards?
Your "hamburger", for my "ribeye" ?
Doesn't sound like such a sweet deal to me, Mike ; )

but you know what they say "life's not fair"...........I use ewasted for mboards because he allows the p4 green boards to go above foreign price and I get a lot of those dealing with gov't surplus..........I know a lot of people downgrade for those but he allows them in the mix hence the law of averages.........Either way I really don't worry to much about it......I try to pay a fair price where I can make me a little off the top.......It beats putting my money in the bank

[Bear]

but you know what they say "life's not fair"...........I use ewasted for mboards because he allows the p4 green boards to go above foreign price and I get a lot of those dealing with gov't surplus..........I know a lot of people downgrade for those but he allows them in the mix hence the law of averages.........Either way I really don't worry to much about it......I try to pay a fair price where I can make me a little off the top.......It beats putting my money in the bank

So you make better money, while supplying cheaper boards, while those supplying better boards don't. Most others wouldn't worry much about that either ; ) Still, there's others, who know their boards. Who really cares what gov't boards are any more? They certainly don't

[mrsamsonite]

All boards "were" Not created equal, maybe they are today, but, that didn't used to be so. Imagine going to the store and getting Ribeye steak for the price of low grade hamburger. Or maybe offering them hamburger price if you buy all their ribeyes. Would it work there? Probably not
I've seen it spoken about the "mix", when one seller sends lower grade, and gets the same price as one who sends higher grade, as being an acceptable practice.
I've also seen it stated that although higher grade boards in the same category improve the "mix", they are Not given any further adeu. But why not?
If you buy(or sell) one gallon of lower grade gas, or whether you buy 500 gallons, it will be the same PPG
If you buy(or sell) One pound of Hamburger, Chuck, Shoulder, Strip, Rump, or Roast, the price will remain the same whether you buy a single slice, or the whole store
I, for one, don't understand the difference. IF the boards are a better grade, no matter the volume, why aren't they addressed as such?

I worked 8 years in a meat department.
-We would sell the same piece of meat for less if the customer bought a value pack (3 steaks or more).
-When top sirloin was on sale for $1.99 people would ask for it to be ground into ground beef so they can have Ground Sirloin for cheap. Ground Sirloin is never $1.99
-Restaurant owners from local restaurants would come in and buy several cases of meat at discount prices.
-We would mark down meat that has a couple of day left on their shelf life.
-When there was a surplus of one type of meat we would mark it down to get rid of it.
-When rib roasts were on sale but, not the rib eye steaks, people would ask for the rib roast to be cut into rib eye steaks to get the discount price.
-Sometimes we would put different kinds of steak in the grinder to get a leaner or more fat ground beef. Those different steaks were different prices but in the end we sold them for the same price.

So what I am trying to get at is that like the meat industry the ewaste recycle industry there are lots of variables as well. The price is whatever the company wants it to be and the seller/buyer can make their decision if they want to do business with them or not.

[Bear]

I worked 8 years in a meat department.
-We would sell the same piece of meat for less if the customer bought a value pack (3 steaks or more).
-When top sirloin was on sale for $1.99 people would ask for it to be ground into ground beef so they can have Ground Sirloin for cheap. Ground Sirloin is never $1.99
-Restaurant owners from local restaurants would come in and buy several cases of meat at discount prices.
-We would mark down meat that has a couple of day left on their shelf life.
-When there was a surplus of one type of meat we would mark it down to get rid of it.
-When rib roasts were on sale but, not the rib eye steaks, people would ask for the rib roast to be cut into rib eye steaks to get the discount price.
-Sometimes we would put different kinds of steak in the grinder to get a leaner or more fat ground beef. Those different steaks were different prices but in the end we sold them for the same price.

So what I am trying to get at is that like the meat industry the ewaste recycle industry there are lots of variables as well. The price is whatever the company wants it to be and the seller/buyer can make their decision if they want to do business with them or not.

I'm sorry to see you slipped this in here sam, frankly, I got bored with this thread a long time ago.
I find your analogy to be rather lame actually, since your examples are mostly to move a perishable product, or to hide inferior product in the mix(which actually may have some bearing, although not to make your point, but mine) and maybe with your family pack, 1 piece, or 3, of identical product, I suppose if I had one box of boards and you had three, all totally identical, you might get a deal, maybe.

The analogy I used (which you quoted) had more to do with mixing ribeye steaks and rump roast in one package, for one price, which is something you would never have attempted to do to your markets customers and hoped to get away with it.
I happen to know boards as well as you know meats, and they most certainly are "Not all created equal". My few boxes of boards aren't much worth discussing, and I had left it at that, but still what I'm saying, and to repeat what I said, there most certainly IS a difference.

As far as the rest of this thread goes, it began on P4s, which hadn't been heard of when the boards I referred to were made. There may be millions of different electrical circuit boards, thousands of those being motherboards alone, and even though almost everything is made in a cheaper way every day, there is a date around 2001/2002 where the gold content in them took a severe nosedive, and boards made before that(especially when it's Long before that) should be treated as ribeye, and not rump roast, no matter the volume ( I mean like, nobody on this forum is talking numerous tractor trailers or trainloads) long as prices are being listed (to repeat myself once more) "by the pound"

Happy Scrappin : )

[mrsamsonite]

I'm sorry to see you slipped this in here sam, frankly, I got bored with this thread a long time ago.
I find your analogy to be rather lame actually, since your examples are mostly to move a perishable product, or to hide inferior product in the mix(which actually may have some bearing, although not to make your point, but mine) and maybe with your family pack, 1 piece, or 3, of identical product, I suppose if I had one box of boards and you had three, all totally identical, you might get a deal, maybe.

The analogy I used (which you quoted) had more to do with mixing ribeye steaks and rump roast in one package, for one price, which is something you would never have attempted to do to your markets customers and hoped to get away with it.
I happen to know boards as well as you know meats, and they most certainly are "Not all created equal". My few boxes of boards aren't much worth discussing, and I had left it at that, but still what I'm saying, and to repeat what I said, there most certainly IS a difference.

As far as the rest of this thread goes, it began on P4s, which hadn't been heard of when the boards I referred to were made. There may be millions of different electrical circuit boards, thousands of those being motherboards alone, and even though almost everything is made in a cheaper way every day, there is a date around 2001/2002 where the gold content in them took a severe nosedive, and boards made before that(especially when it's Long before that) should be treated as ribeye, and not rump roast, no matter the volume ( I mean like, nobody on this forum is talking numerous tractor trailers or trainloads) long as prices are being listed (to repeat myself once more) "by the pound"

Happy Scrappin : )

We would do that many times, if the t-bone steak was on sale and not the porterhouse we would mark the porterhouse as a t-bone to give it the sale price. The porterhouse is a more valued steak (it has the filet on it) but, usually the t-bone and porterhouse are marked as the same price or almost the same price. I do think though, that we have been using the wrong analogies of retail of goods such as meats and you mentioned earlier the retail of gas. None of us have a retail store of ewaste that we sale to customers. A better analogy for the meat industry would be not at the retail level but the prices that the grocery companies pay the slaughter houses for the meats. When buying from slaughter houses, they make all sorts of deals with mixed lots and the prices vary from deal to deal.

[Bear]

We would do that many times, if the t-bone steak was on sale and not the porterhouse we would mark the porterhouse as a t-bone to give it the sale price. The porterhouse is a more valued steak (it has the filet on it) but, usually the t-bone and porterhouse are marked as the same price or almost the same price. I do think though, that we have been using the wrong analogies of retail of goods such as meats and you mentioned earlier the retail of gas. None of us have a retail store of ewaste that we sale to customers. A better analogy for the meat industry would be not at the retail level but the prices that the grocery companies pay the slaughter houses for the meats. When buying from slaughter houses, they make all sorts of deals with mixed lots and the prices vary from deal to deal.

This is so very true Sam. We're not talking retail or wholesale, how many tons, pounds, or ounces, but more in PPM, which declines almost on a daily basis, as quickly as they can manufacture it with less, it's a done deal. That is the direction it's come from and gone. Even though it took a real nosedive at some point around 2001/2002(I've seen that date discussed in another thread), it was already, and still is, the principal behind it. When personal computers cost ten grand there was more to that than mere technology.
Compaq paid a mere one million to rewrite the IBM boot code so they could proceed to make them cheaper(while making more profit), but tech was not the only thing behind it being done cheaper, it was also in lessening the components PM ingredients, less cost in, more profit out. As gold prices went up, its use in manufacturing these components went down. As manufacturing techniques were "improved" it did the same, no matter the price, date, or technique, it's usage has steadily declined. This is the very reason boards from the 70s are richer than the 80s, and 90s are richer than the ones after it, etc and on it goes.
When with each passing day they make it with less, how is it that entire decades do not seem to count

[mikeinreco]

No offense Bear but it does matter about gov't surplus.........The U.S gov't and the school systems are probably the largest suppliers of used computers in the nation and the world

[Bear]

If you walk into an auto dealership to buy a vehicle, and people are driving out with V8, automatic, leather seats, stereo, AC, power steering, cruise control, etc. and you want to buy one, but they only offer you a plain 4 cylinder stick shift at the same price, what would you say?

[Ewasted]

If you walk into an auto dealership to buy a vehicle, and people are driving out with V8, automatic, leather seats, stereo, AC, power steering, cruise control, etc. and you want to buy one, but they only offer you a plain 4 cylinder stick shift at the same price, what would you say?

I see where you are going with this... but lets make it more realistic, say you could buy both for the same price. But you need to buy 30 of the V8 vehicles to match the price of the 4cylinder. Let's also say the 30 V8 units were not properly ran through quality control so there are some variances.

Most people can't afford nor do they have a need for 30 of the V8 units, nor do they want to assume the risk of quality issues that arent warrantied.

[Bear]

Maybe prices are better by the ton, and that's certainly understandable, but the last I looked, most buyers prices were by the pound : D

[Ewasted]

Maybe prices are better by the ton, and that's certainly understandable, but the last I looked, most buyers prices were by the pound : D

I have spent multiple threads answering this bear.

We are the longest standing, most consistent buyer on this forum. If we were cheating people or having unfair practices, do you think you would hear about it?
I go back to my previous comment Bear, it sounds like there is an opportunity for you to build a business around this. In the free market of capitalism I wish all the best and welcome all competition to help us become a better company.

[Bear]

I have no desire to be a buyer Mario ; ) haha, good luck : D

[Ewasted]

I have no desire to be a buyer Mario ; ) haha, good luck : D

And I have no desire to be a seller
Touche

[mikeinreco]

I have said this before.......I am both a buyer and a seller and it is very frustrating at times............Oh well back to the PILE

[Copperli]

Good thread

I'm not a ewaste guy but to go back to the original question. If you are selling 2 of the exact same boards with 2 different countries of origin stamped on them. I would say the pricing should be the same or very close. I understand the 2 countries may have different quality controls but if they look exactly the same they should pay that way too. .02

[mikeinreco]

not sure it even matters where the board was manufactured

[dave]

I picked up like 14 pallets of shtuff to tear apart yesterday. I do the large socket, small socket colored kind of grading on mbo's and when I find something in the shtuff that looks better I put it in a different box. I do 3 grades of mid grade boards and one for browns. I wanted to see how to get the grade right so I took 3500lb or so to Mario myself and got my hands into it with the folks there. It was quick and I learned some good stuff. We live in a supply and demand world and we are all working for money; that said "expectations are indeed premeditated resentments". It is not hard to find a buyer; but remember he buys so he can make money too. When you find a good buyer like Mario that bends over backwards to make the transaction work personally I feel like that is half of the paycheck! I want this guy to make money so he will be there for the next load and I know they do go through the box and re-grade my work. I'm focused on making what I do better to help my buyer as that buyer is my customer just like I am his customer. We're just like a pair of good mules sharing the load of the wagon and life is good.

[blacksteel]

Wow real information.lol and i keep kept skipping this thread. Hmmm .
Good job. Good points. Just grrrrrrgreat !