Dont be this guy.....

The driver/owner of this vehicle was one of the following:



1. Desperate
2. Genuinely just not smart
3. Greedy for not making 2 trips just to save 3$ and an idiot with no regard to the safety of anyone else

Do you think scrapyards should be like bars where the bar can have some liability if they over serve someone and then that person kills by driving after getting drunk? Should they turn away someone with a vehicle that badly loaded? Most yards work with local PD to begin with, requiring ID etc...

Originally Posted by blackgold12

If the driver were found to be criminal negligent as charged how could you even consider the yard liable when the driver had care and control.

That's not what I am saying/meant. Ethically they could be liable to keep buying this guys scrap - at the same time I wouldn't have taken his plates or reported him/her - they could be desperate even if they aren't clever for loading it that way and they did make it to they yard with everything still on the truck in theory.

Just like a bar stops serving someone drinks - maybe the yard should refuse the load or reduce the price paid for his scrap, but a warning first stupid load - something along those lines.

Just like a dump where you pay to dispose of refuse, they charge more for a load not covered etc...

Originally Posted by blackgold12

Alright you did not get the answer you were seeking, so I'm going to ask you a direct question.

Say your children were at the curb outside your home waiting on the school buss and that over hanging fridge fell off and seriously injured your children along with a few of your neighbors children waiting on that buss.

Some of the children so badly injured die while others who survived remain in hospital for months then have to go through physical therapy. If they're lucky regain full mobility of those broken limbs.

Its time for you to move the Kool Aid stand.

Not seeing a question in there anywhere.

Point is that it didn't happen. He made it to the yard - maybe he/she has kids too and is desperate or maybe just someone addicted to drugs badly needing a fix. If seeing that mess on the road driving - sure call it in - you are right there is a responsibility to do something - that's what I have been saying the whole time. Behavior would better be stopped for fear of not being able to cash in vs. avoiding the PD and driving the back roads with a stupid load etc...

Yard has the right and really the responsibility ethically to refuse the load/pay less for the load or call it in - maybe a mercy warning the first time - otherwise the argument for anyone to call it in has no validity. If someone sees it and does nothing,... isn't the scrapyard "someone"?

It's contradictory to say "greytruck" had a responsibility to make a call and report what he saw at the scrapyard and then say the scrapyard itself doesn't - what - scrapyards don't have to be responsible for anything?


Here's a question for you.

What will better prevent the behavior? Idiot in overloaded truck: "I can't take this load to the yard cause they won't take it AND I risk a ticket along the way" or "I risk a ticket but I get my 40$ if I make it cause they will take my metal on my overloaded truck - I feel proud"? Almost a guarantee there would be no reason for him to do this again since there would be no benefit now.

Stupid behavior involving public safety prevention is better than after the fact consequences and someone getting hurt.

Originally Posted by ScrapmanIndustries

a junkyard has no idea whats rolling down the road about to come onto the scale. How can you hold me liable for someone coming to my yard when I had no knowledge of anything they did before they entered my driveway? If they make it I will see what they have but now I'm in a pickle. because if you want the whole turnaround thing to happen like tarps at the dump, then legally I am not allowed to let this guy unload. but morally if this guy wrecks and kills someone heading home loaded and unsafe when he could have been empty going home then that is my fault. sorry if I ramble a bit I'm loosing my mind out here and about to fall asleep at the moment. But do you get the point I was trying to make?

I absolutely get the point you made and I didn't mean to offend you.

For something to work like what I suggested, all yards in close proximity of each other would have to all have the same or similar policy, it actually would be profitable to the yard because you could pay less to the careless people - ex. they only get 50% shred price for their dangerous load.

I agree turning them away would be more of a disaster and then as you suggested if they hurt someone even though legally you would not be responsible but ethically you might be a little guilty cause you didn't let them unload, they could have had an empty truck - at the same time you had nothing to do with the idiot loading up his truck like that to begin with - and he's probably going to do it again - and so the cycle continues. Nothing really you can do.

Originally Posted by ScrapmanIndustries

Yeah, I wasn't offended. just tired. When I get tired sometimes I can ramble online about things i have some type of passion in. But yeah theres really not much we can do at the yard to stop that sorta thing from happening. As someone who actually had to interact with customers coming in, I've seen a fair bit of things come across the scale, but turning them away if they have a sketchy load won't stop anything really. If anything that law the landfills have with the tarps just encourages illegal dumping in my opinion. When I was working for the state the bosses made me go out and refuse an incoming load of salt that we ordered because the driver didn't have a tarp. So instead of doing the right thing he just wanted the load off his truck so he dumped it in the middle of the road so that we'd have to work harder to clean it up. Same thing happens with trash. why buy a tarp and then pay the dump fee when theres an isolated section of land nearby to get rid of stuff for "Free". not saying its the right thing to do. Actually I get really pissed seeing things dumped illegally, but its the reality. Not trying to dive into political beliefs but thats just what I've seen first hand.

But on a side note, has steel started to come back up in price recently? last time I heard it was $2/hundred at most places. Is it still in that ball park?

Got $5/100 for shred here Knoxville tn...…….Agree about the trash...…..municipalities need to make it easy and cheap for people to dispose of waste or unfortunately people dispose of it the best they can legal or illegal...…...Facts of life