possibly mismatched lug to wheel size, I've heard a good bump can shear the studs in such a case
on the same note, possibly loose lugs that allowed it to achieve too much play
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possibly mismatched lug to wheel size, I've heard a good bump can shear the studs in such a case
on the same note, possibly loose lugs that allowed it to achieve too much play
I had that happen on a one ton dually with sander loaded with two tons of sand/salt that I'd just had new tires put on. About 20 miles later one of the duals on the driver side went across the road. Over $800 in repairs later....Quote:
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Mechanic told me it was likely from not torquing the lugs and most likely had been too tight. The (national) shop got out of the warranty because I hadn't gone back within 20 miles to have the tires "re-torqued".
This is a picture of the west side of the power plant. The following pictures will show how the metal will be removed from the power plant from this perspective.
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This is the ramp that was built to allow access to the bottom level of the building and the staging area for extracting the metal from the building with a excavator.
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That doesn't look like much of an opening haha ; ) but, it does look like one hek of a foundation. That ramp could be utilized for future deliveries etc, long as security was under control. Is the river side of the building close enough to the bank to warrant any concerns over years of bank erosion or water damage to the substructure? What shows of it here looks like a very well made foundation.
I like those old glass block lights. Also those weep holes did their job well too. That's a great looking building there.
I thumbed through those past projects once and that old livestock sales building really stood out. They did some fine work up there Patriot
Only too recently I became schooled on the availability of torque sticks to monitor wheel nut torque. We all know what under-tightened wheel nuts produce. Same with overtight. I've also lost wheel, tire AND hub when a spindle broke. Scared the heck out of a herd of cattle one day as the wheel went bouncing through the pasture. I need to invest in one or two of these or at least use a torque wrench.
Torque Stick
A larger opening will be made this week that will eventually be the entrance ramp to the basement parking. The Burlington Northern railroad tracks sit between the river and this building so if any problems exist, it will affect them before us.Quote:
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Thank you Yunkman. I think I will be investing in a few when I return to my farm scrapping. Until then a new computer will be the next investment.Quote:
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I was wondering where my pictures were.
Only 2? Stop slacking Patriot! I need my picture fix. :)
Keep up the good job, I'm enjoying following the threads. I want to know where your hiding the coolers...you did bring one right? Mine is there in spirit! ;)
Sirscrapalot - Entertained, Keep'm coming.
Met the captain of the Omaha Bomb Squad today. They will be blasting several holes in the building in the basement to allow us to move metal below ground level. Good PR, cheap labor, and creating a great network.
Also met a fellow scrapper that has been doing it for 28 years. Very knowledgeable and created more contacts for this challenge. Also have a great burner on the crew that will provide another opportunity to learn. More information will be provided about these resources as time goes by. We are training several other individuals to become burners and so far, so good. Today the crew numbered nine individuals. We hope to have 20 within two weeks.
Problems with the computer prevent speedy communications. The coolers are used to keep the contents from freezing. We keep them outside because it is only zero degrees outside and much colder inside with the concrete and brick.Quote:
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This picture is at the bottom of the ramp. It is part of the conveyor belt to move coal into the the building. The conveyor belt was covered by coal. Most of the coal was buried under ice and water that will be removed later. Coal dust is explosive and the coal is a fire hazard. More pictures will be posted later because this will be the main exit point for metal.
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Over-torquing stretches the studs, weakens them and they can snap. Seen it a bunch of times. Also, the re-torquing thing is very very very important to get done. We have had a number of people come back with loose or missing lug nuts. Most are Furious with us. Well, every time that has happened, they had put on well over the 150km limit we tell them, (and also stamp on their invoice). we asked if they had returned for the re-torque. ".....No" Id say only 20% of our customers come back for the re torque. Most say they are "too busy" to take 2 minutes to have us re torque the nuts. A father was killed here recently when a tire came off a car and flew into his windshield, and another mother and daughter are lucky to be alive after a transport lost both rear wheels on one side and one hit the hood of their car, and absolutey crushed the front end. (We got dispatched to tow the car. It was a complete wreck) Im really dissapointed that most people think that the few mins it takes to get the re torque done is less important than someones life.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickI had that happen on a one ton dually with sander loaded with two tons of sand/salt that I'd just had new tires put on. About 20 miles later one of the duals on the driver side went across the road. Over $800 in repairs later....Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriot76
Mechanic told me it was likely from not torquing the lugs and most likely had been too tight. The (national) shop got out of the warranty because I hadn't gone back within 20 miles to have the tires "re-torqued".
Now I know you barely even made it to the limit in your situation Mick, so im not saying you where in the wrong. Id say someone probably FORGOT to torque the lug nuts all together. We just had a cab come in after having a tranny replaced at another shop. LF wheel lug nuts where all finger tight. Imagine a tire coming off a cab on the highway with a family inside. Scary stuff.
Hopefully you have a civil engineer helping with designing the blasting--you don't want to screw up any foundations that need to stay in place! Basement walls can also serve as lateral stabilization to column foundations. You aren't always sure of this unless you have a guy that understands this kind of design.
Please be cautious!
Jon.
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This is a picture of two electric motors that will be sold separately from the rest of the scrap iron. We do not have time to scrap the copper, so I received quotes for these separate. There are over 100 of these motors in the plant, but we have not taken the time to count them. We have been offered .27 cents per pound for these by a local non-ferrous dealer. These motors can be seen in post # 132 above right above the torch sparks. In addition to these small motors the facility has numerous larger motors ranging from 25 lbs. to 2 tons.
Patriot, I absolutely love this thread. Looks like your getting a good start. IMO you can't put too many pics, I like pics. Keepem coming
First, an apology to Sir for the lack of pictures for this post. Still to dark inside for decent pictures. The coal powered plant was remodeled into a fuel oil powered plant. That means in addition to coal fires and coal dust explosions we are now dealing with fuel in tanks and pipes. We started drilling holes in the low points to drain the combustibles but now hope to find a company that will pump the fuel for reuse. To deal with these concerns bags of baking soda, oil absorbent material, and numerous fire extinguishers are available. Each torch has it own fire extinguisher and numerous others are scattered around the building. Several retired supervisors of the plant have been brought in to identify dangerous areas as well as the Omaha Fire Department. We are looking for all resources that can help in the safety of this project.
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The members that followed the water tank project will appreciate these two picture. These are the two fuel tanks that power the turbo generators for electricity for the city of Omaha. The one on the right will be scrapped to allow street access to our facility. We need to modify the other tank to meet new guidelines.
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This is the fuel tank we need to modify to meet the sales agreement. The capacity of this tank needs to be reduced to meet federal guidelines. One thought was to scrap this tank and replace it with a smaller tank. Then it was suggested that we cut a section out and re weld the tank. In a discussion with a security guard, he suggested we just pour concrete in the bottom of the tank to reduce the capacity. We went from a very expensive plan to a simple solution because a security guard offered some common sense. Lesson - keep your ears open and never underestimate the contributions of others.
And the solution didn't take a half-million dollar 4-year engineering degree to figure out.
How much concrete are you thinking about? It sounds like the simple solution might be pretty costly. I don't have much experience with concrete, but I'm wondering how easy it would be for a large volume of concrete to cure. Also, how would it stress the tank itself while still in a semi-liquid state.[/I]Quote:
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Too many unknowns on my end, but really don't like the sounds of the adding concrete to the tank to make a smaller tank idea. What's going back in the tank and what is that going to be used for? What happens if the concrete breaks down, crumbles? When it is time to remove everything what will happen? Will it end up costing your company big at that time? Be a hazardous situation?
Can the walls be shortened to make a smaller tank?
Really think you should just remove it and replace with new on this one. Don't try and invent in this situation.
Here's some other online auctions that you can usually get some decent deals on with equipment and trucks. If you want a good relationship with dealer service I would suggest that you think about leasing the equipment from the dealer or purchasing from the nearby dealer for bet pr and a good service relationship.Quote:
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Big Iron
Purple Wave, Inc. | No reserve equipment and vehicle auctions
Reasonable questions have been posed about the concrete filling....but some back-up engineering work should tell if this is a feasible solution. What's the fuel it's to be filled with?
I'm asking because concrete will not likely be a close fit to the steel walls when all is said and done...concrete shrinks a little. And steel has a different expansion rate than concrete. So filling it with just about anything will be like "putting a brick in a toilet tank" method reducing the volume. You could put gravel in it and get the same result!!!
If you fill it with concrete and then proceed to seal the remaining part of the tank from the concrete, with, say, an epoxy/fiberglass seal or something like it that will resist the fuel, then you have what you are looking for. But the cost saving will be less.
I'm assuming there is no concern with corrosion on the bottom of the tank...the floor? If the seal is made at the top of the concrete the original floor integrity is of no concern except for structural purposes. I'm referring to the outside of the bottom, where water would have had a chance to do its work over the years....
There is probably some wording in the regs about doing some non-destructive testing to verify the integrity of the tank as well.
I'm also assuming that the Federal legal guidelines--the fine print--allow this kind of modification? (I would guess yes...but the redesign will likely need to be stamped by a PE.) Do the modern regs also demand a spill containment berm?
Your comments are just great about this project. Your boss must be a very cool guy in allowing this free thinking! Your methods of saving money are outside of the box, and sounds very much like what I had spent a lot of my working career in the sawmill doing....getting acceptable, low cost results from unconventional solutions...!!!
Jon.
PS--you are saving the motors in a different category of scrap....right on! But don't forget to have a look at the gearboxes as well. There may be quite a few boxes that are right angle worm drive boxes....they are pretty much obsolete now but back in the day they were heavily used. Anyway, the gearwheel in those boxes is very likely to be a huge chunk of brass or bronze and pretty simple for the yards to pull out.
Some great ideas and questions have been presented and greatly appreciated. Earlier in the thread it was stated this forum is like having access to a 24 hr. consulting company. Updates will be provided with the solutions to the problems as time progresses. The tanks are further down the road and many more opinions will be solicited before they are tackled. Thanks to everyone.
Thought you might like to see the view from my new home. I am use to my ranch, cabin and the wildlife that my dogs love. The dogs have gone back to live at the cabin and the only wildlife here is pigeons. I did see a dog being walked the other day, but the owner thought I was strange because I stopped the truck to pet the dog. Yes, I had my cowboy hat on. So much to learn. This picture is to the east. I have glass windows to the south and west as well but the pictures are not that good. I feel like the Beverly Hillbillies living in Omaha.
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[QUOTE=Patriot76;193326]Thought you might like to see the view from my new home. I am use to my ranch, cabin and the wildlife that my dogs love. The dogs have gone back to live at the cabin and the only wildlife here is pigeons. I did see a dog being walked the other day, but the owner thought I was strange because I stopped the truck to pet the dog. Yes, I had my cowboy hat on. So much to learn. This picture is to the east. I have glass windows to the south and west as well but the pictures are not that good. I feel like the Beverly Hillbillies living in Omaha.
Like old home week. I showed my wife without letting her see the text and she knew right off - said "That's 'Woodman of the World'" (look close at the top of the tall, white building). Sure changed a lot in the last 23 years.
Right on. Now you want to guess the building I am staying in. You guess that I will buy you and your wife breakfast.
Don't feel bad, Patriot. At least you're not stuck here!
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But you could be here...
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I win I win!
Sirscrapalot - Loving his sandbar.
What is that a barrier reef?
That sir the is the road to the other REAL Island...on the way down to Hatteras...I think.
Not my photo! I don't own a plane.
Edit: Jokes aside, upon closer looking...I think that's NC 12 going south to Hatteras, also known as Bodie Island(spelling is correct, those folks back then couldn't spell very well.) An also National Wildlife Refuge. Lord help you if you drive over a turtle, or a bird or something. The rangers will suck your soul straight out of your ear. They frown on that. The lighthouses are awsome.
Sorry Patriot..had to educate the wanna be island dweller, also known as my friend BC.
Sirscrapalot - Haters going to hate, till they come visit..then I can't get rid of them. ;)
I was trying to figure that out. I'd say that tall building like a spire is a casino on the Iowa side of the Missouri River. It wasn't there when we left. So, you must be on an upper floor of a hotel about 20th St north of Dodge. I'm guessing Econo Lodge at 2211 Douglas St. (It was built since we left - I cheated and "Googled" "Hotels in Omaha").Quote:
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Mick, I owe you and your wife breakfast. It is not a hotel, but the corporate Penthouse on top of one of the apartment buildings Todd has remodeled in Omaha. It is the 19th floor in the 2200 block on the south side of Dodge. The Econo Lodge is an hourly hotel and only two stories tall. Glad I am not staying there. That would be a burr in the wife's saddle.
Sir, please do not apologize. I love the education on the forum.
I'll gladly collect the next time you're in Maine.
Drove in from the ranch today and have some spare time, so it is time to update a few projects. The first picture is the bottom of the boiler that runs eight stories tall and is supported by the ceiling. We have two of them that will be cut out from the floor up and will become the chutes for dropping the metal into the basement. The second is a picture after we started cutting. There is a foot and a half of cement and rock lining in the bottom running 16 ft. high. It is hard to gouge cut against concrete, so the second one will go much faster. The Omaha Bomb Squad is coming in to blast the concrete before we cut on it. The third picture is the boiler on the main floor. It has a constant tunnel of pipes used to heat steam.
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Here is a picture after we gouged out the metal and you can see the concrete, rock, and brick.
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A picture of a water tank is posted below. New cutter started cutting it before I knew what was happening. By the time I saw it, this is what it looked like. The results of this situation will be posted later.
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Only one crew member can be trusted with this situation, so it will either be him or myself that takes it down. No I am not an expert, would rather jeopardize myself before asking someone else to take the chance.
Thanks for the update and good pics Patriot.
The brick just gave me a thought. If you get some brick walls to take down, you can do pretty well selling the old solid brick. The mortar in this building should be old enough to easily pop off with a hammer. With a little practice you can hit it sharply and break off the mortar without breaking the brick. Stack them on pallets 500 at a time in a crosshatch pattern and they will stay. I used to get $350 to $500 per thousand brick when they were needing a lot of them to rebuild New Orleans after Katrina. Some new brick companies will also buy palletized old brick. Your boss may have a use for these for building, so it may not be a selling item, but they are easy to clean if any of the guys have some downtime.
Also, the firebrick can be reused for fire pits and such.
Well ****. I've been peeking through the forums for a day or so, but once I saw this project was in my town, I had to register and comment.
I've never heard of this power plant (unless it IS the "Fort Calhoun" plant, which is the only name I've never heard), and I'm pretty much unaware of what is going on, but it's incredible to see the massive size of the machinery they used in that place.