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    I do have a system in place i have 4 diffrent companies i use but they manage collectives so right now they dont need any more weight for their credits. Usually from july till december they take all the material you send them.


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    All good seems you have it all covered...........Will be my last post on this thread and I wish you all the best!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeinreco View Post
    So anyone can accept them and do "whatever" they want with them???......Seems like a loophole to me
    It is and i isn't - true the e-waste is leaving NY, but with other states enforcing similar regulations regarding CRTs, it isn't really. Final nail for now was the port closures in California as California takes their e-waste laws and regs very seriously. NY tries to mirror it as close as they can without anyone complaining about them too much. Exporting of e-waste should be outlawed everywhere but that's my opinion and mine alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeinreco View Post
    CRT disposal is a major part of the ewaste biz......Why are you giving away a guaranteed money maker.......Think of all the lead in those bad boys that you are giving away.......Could be highly profitable for you to start a fire in your facility and throw all the tubes into the flame............We will need to figure a way however to extract the lead run-off............A simple 5 gallon plastic bucket should do the trick....
    Meh... It worked well for Stone Castle in Utah, didn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by logansryche View Post
    Exporting of e-waste should be outlawed everywhere but that's my opinion and mine alone.

    If this was the case e-waste buyers would not buy your boards. Most of them ship the boards overseas to be processed in facilities that are geared for proper refining.


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    From my research most R-2 is still going overseas. They just need to document everything, like where and to who overseas. How many refiners are there in the USA? ANYBODY really know how many?
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    Quote Originally Posted by etack View Post
    If this was the case e-waste buyers would not buy your boards. Most of them ship the boards overseas to be processed in facilities that are geared for proper refining.


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    Us as Americans made this mess to begin with, and us as Americans should fix it - not export it and hope someone's dealing with it. We need to figure out the best safest way to handle this. If this means processing and refining in-house, then that's what it means. I stand by my statement of E-waste exporting should be illegal. To me the definition of E-waste is everything that's not sellable or the left over WEEE scrap. Boards, motors, relays, etc.. are sellables and to me aren't considered E-waste. Everyone has their own definition of what E-waste is apparently.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigburtchino View Post
    How many refiners are there in the USA? ANYBODY really know how many?
    I can only think of maybe one, and even then their a specialty refiner who refines CRTs. I know there are members on here who refine what they bring in and they count as refiners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by logansryche View Post
    Us as Americans made this mess to begin with, and us as Americans should fix it
    America generates a large amount of e-waste, but so does Europe. Asia is the main producer of the electronics. The e-waste problem is not just one country's fault, it's global.

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    There is always going to be waste.
    To say any one country is the cause is crazy
    I feel we as human beings have stepped up to take care of the "mess" and have done so for a very long time.
    Get your facts straight. There are regs that have made manufacturers responsible for the proper recycling and disposal of their products.
    Vast majority of the products used in this country are manufactured over seas.
    And I dare say we ,in this country are handling more than our share. And doing it responsibly.

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    There is a *Blame America First* mentality all over the media, liberal polititions, universities, all the way down to grade school. It is being taught and needs to be addressed and stomped out whenever possible. I agree with you JF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by etack View Post
    If this was the case e-waste buyers would not buy your boards. Most of them ship the boards overseas to be processed in facilities that are geared for proper refining.


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    I think "proper" is used loosely here. "Profitably" would fit much better. You can't change the world in a day, but you can change someone else's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiTechMike View Post
    America generates a large amount of e-waste, but so does Europe. Asia is the main producer of the electronics. The e-waste problem is not just one country's fault, it's global.
    And they should handle E-waste in their respected countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by junkfreak View Post
    There is always going to be waste. To say any one country is the cause is crazy. I feel we as human beings have stepped up to take care of the "mess" and have done so for a very long time. Get your facts straight. There are regs that have made manufacturers responsible for the proper recycling and disposal of their products. Vast majority of the products used in this country are manufactured over seas. And I dare say we ,in this country are handling more than our share. And doing it responsibly.
    I'd have to disagree. This country only meets minimum regulations and to me, that's not enough. You know companies like Dell and big box stores like Wal-Mart pay for people to look the other way, right? How do I know? I was standing in the managers office of not one but two Wal-Marts when I was Iowa when this was going on. This country is still the largest importer and exporter of electronics and I'll be darned if I'm going to let my electronics be exported so they end up at the bottom of the ocean or the beach of some country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjost View Post
    There is a *Blame America First* mentality all over the media, liberal polititions, universities, all the way down to grade school. It is being taught and needs to be addressed and stomped out whenever possible. I agree with you JF.
    Love it or leave it!
    Public school system is a failure.
    Half the crap I learned in history was bs
    There's a Paul Simon song in there somewhere. Hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdmiralAluminum View Post
    I think "proper" is used loosely here. "Profitably" would fit much better. You can't change the world in a day, but you can change someone else's.
    It will always be about profit first.
    Anyone of us that says we do this just for the environment and then turns a profit is deluding themselves.
    There is nothing wrong with making a profit in this business , for me ,its a bonus to do my own part to preserve our resources for our grandchildren. And I am teaching them the importance of continuing to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junkfreak View Post
    It will always be about profit first.
    Anyone of us that says we do this just for the environment and then turns a profit is deluding themselves.
    There is nothing wrong with making a profit in this business , for me ,its a bonus to do my part to preserve our resources for my grandchildren. And I am teaching them the importance of continuing to do so.
    Profit first and if it helps the environment in the process is a side bonus sends the wrong message. Should be the other way around, as that line of thinking makes it seem like scrappers are out for profit only and don't care about the enviroment.

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    My family and their welfare will always come first.
    To think that we can distroy this planet, as mere mortals, is arrogant.
    The planet will destroy us first.
    Environmental responsibility isn't about preserving the planet. Its about preserving mankind.
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    I'll disagree and walk away. Too early in the morning for an argument over morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by logansryche View Post
    Profit first and if it helps the environment in the process is a side bonus sends the wrong message. Should be the other way around, as that line of thinking makes it seem like scrappers are out for profit only and don't care about the enviroment.
    And I thought I was an idealist! I'm not arguing your point, logan, far from it. Being GREEN is one of the main reasons I decided to make this my hobby/passion/secondary income. I have fought with enough businesses (big and small) while working for them about how they SHOULD do this or that. All fell on ears deafened by ding of the cash register and the clinking of coins piling up in their bank accounts.

    I'm not saying it shouldn't be done right but if it costs money to do it the right way no one is going to do it except idealist who will soon go out of business and then it will be done the wrong way, profitably. Kinda like not switching to electric cars, or solar and wind energy; it can't be done for a profit over night and it would have serious affects on employment, economy and industry. The big picture 5 years from now holds sway over the big picture 50 years from now.

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    Morals??? What more important?
    The problem with blinders is you can't see everything around you.
    It would be immoral for me to ignore my families needs .

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    Quote Originally Posted by junkfreak View Post
    Morals??? What more important?
    The problem with blinders is you can't see everything around you.
    It would be immoral for me to ignore my families needs .
    Or the fact that we live in a capitalist society. Capitalism forces people to challenge the status quo (like logansryche) while still remaining within the existing and accepted borders of economic reason. If we all switched to e-cars and wind power in the next year, how many plant workers would lose their jobs. I'm no economist, I am somewhat of a political idealist, but I recognize the merits of sustainable growth and am very thankful for the fact that communist or fascist ideals can't warp our society into doing what the govt sees as "the best solution to the situation at hand". OMG can you imagine how many times that could have gone wrong? Right or Left leaning, you have to admit there is a reason we meet in the middle.

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