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    **** straight, can't be one dimensional in this biz.


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    Copperhead, I was simply suggesting to honor one of the most profitable and fundamental principles of investments, when the price is down, increase your holdings. In regards to scrappers, hours your most precious commodity copper until better pricing reveal itself. Sell if you must, but obey the principle if you want a big Gandhi one day.
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    TheRecycler- Im with you Ive got the space to store and hold my copper. I see some of the biggest losses in my compressors when dealing with the industrial 100 pounders at current pricing im losing 8 dollars a piece plus the loss on the radiators. It all comes down to cash flow and space if you dont need the money right away and have the space why not hold it?

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    F350, you freakin got it and you nailed it. What poor folks don't do is think like the rich, which is their biggest mistake. Rich folks can afford to drop a cool million on a certain stock when the market is struggling because they understand it is a bull market. Why it's called a bull market, let me explain, when you release a wild bull from its pen, what does it do, that's right, it goes up and down repeatedly. Copper prices will come back, I don't care if it takes 5 years and because I can afford to store it, I will be cashing in on it.

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    TheRecycler- Im with you Ive got the space to store and hold my copper. I see some of the biggest losses in my compressors when dealing with the industrial 100 pounders at current pricing im losing 8 dollars a piece plus the loss on the radiators. It all comes down to cash flow and space if you dont need the money right away and have the space why not hold it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    All this talk of hoarding, stockpiling, whatever........

    What if the market stays down longer than you can stay solvent while your "hoarding" your stash? Your burning through working capitol and living expenses while you hope and dream for higher prices. Great way to go bankrupt. That business plan is futile. You might want to work on adjusting your business model to cope with this instead.

    Do yourself a favor and look at the historical copper chart for the last 30 years. There was a 15 year stretch where spot never broke over $1.50 per pound.
    Which brings up a good point, don't hoard anything you can't afford to. I Have procured a small bunch of cars and as it sits now won't have any need to sell for years. I reinvested upwards profit and bought right so selling will be a matter of when it's right.

    Anyone else notice the price of gas creeping up, might not have to hoard long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KzScrapper View Post
    When it comes to Carbide a lot of weight can fit in a coffee can so it doesn't take up much space at all. Not sure I've seen it go for much more then $12 bucks though.

    As much as I hate to remind people, we never really know what tomorrow brings and any one of us could be 6 ft under by weeks end. When looking over my inventory I try to keep that in mind and how would it impact my family when it comes to trying to convert inventory into cash. I feel like once the initial impact has passed they could deal but would still be a chore. I think of Mick and the 1000 pounds of copper he was sitting on, waiting for a better price, when he passed.
    wtf mick is gone ? When no one told me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taterjuice View Post
    wtf mick is gone ? When no one told me.
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    My copper pile and non ferrous pile is growing like crazy. Thanks to the constant trashing of crt tvs and tax time new purchases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRecycler View Post
    F350, you freakin got it and you nailed it. What poor folks don't do is think like the rich, which is their biggest mistake. Rich folks can afford to drop a cool million on a certain stock when the market is struggling because they understand it is a bull market. Why it's called a bull market, let me explain, when you release a wild bull from its pen, what does it do, that's right, it goes up and down repeatedly. Copper prices will come back, I don't care if it takes 5 years and because I can afford to store it, I will be cashing in on it.
    You should do what you think is best.

    The market is driven by two forces. They are fear and greed. Greed is symbolized by the bull. He charges forward. Fear is represented by the bear. The bear is cautious.

    Thus ... you have what are called bear and bull markets.

    Most of the rich folks that i know of live on the dividends from their investments. Their money is kept busy working for them.

    Look at it this way .... you have a certain amount of time & energy invested in your copper. That's your money. Right now, it's just sitting there not doing anything. It's not being kept busy working for you.

    There's nothing wrong with this but you're not factoring in currency inflation. Five years down the line they might be paying twice what they are today but the currency might only have half the purchasing power. The end result would be that you would be no further ahead than if you sold it right now.
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    Scrappah, well said. In the end it's a gamble or calculated guess at best. Let's see what will happen.

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    I read over this thread as I find the topic interesting as it is something that I "deal with" most everyday here in a TIME capsule of post consumer goods.

    I try and keep a eye on the important things such as the economy and it's ever changing trends in ways that most do not as I'm eccentric to the core and always have been.

    I can understand that those that make a Living from the scrap biz need to have a operation that flows and keeps up with the TIMES.

    I have been watching the copper prices as that is where a good size piece of my vintage scrap pie is.

    I have always been attracted to most anything that had lights or wires. So over the many years I hauled all I could and just mostly piled it up and stored it away till later.

    I greatly enjoy taking things apart that I don't have to put back together. I always have. I even enjoy fixing things from the knowledge I gained in part from taking things apart that didn't have to be put back together.

    I have always believed in having a very dirverse operstion here in the yard. Basically I view my whole property and what is contained as my own personal camp ground that resembles a salvage yard. I just prefer larger nic naks then many others. But I do like the smalls and tiny things.

    I have many other avenues for keeping busy and moving in a forward direction at a reasonable speed. So the scrap possibilities I have are gravy that can wait until a later TIME.

    I will be getting things sorted and more organized in as far as scrap items go. I will try and get some aluminum ready for scrap as I have plenty of it that is best scrapped and it takes up a lot of room for it's weight and value.

    As for copper, brass and other weighty treasures. I figure that I will mostly keep hoarding it and play it from there.

    With China having such a large hoard of copper, brass and other metals stock piled and with the price of new copper, brass and such being reasonable and with little problems of supply to the manufactures that require it. The copper prices will keep going down and slightly up and down as they are doing in this phase of seasons.

    Now if China was to unload some of their stock piles on the open market, think what that could do.

    The FIX for all the problems is in the works and just hasn't had the proper interest and motivation to of materialized as of yet.

    A large increase in "war type" concepts. War on a larger scale would make the metal markets and related industry boom.

    Remember now, I'm not normal as I'm very eccentric as that is what I am. Was born that way,lol...

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    There is a saying, "Out of disaster, comes opportunity." That just might be the case with copper prices taking flight one of these days. I'm hoarding like a big dog. Just in the last three days, I have come across about 20 crt tvs which will come out to be about 50 lbs of copper when fully processed. It cost me nothing and I can afford to hoard.

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    I survived '08 and I'm pretty sure I'll weather this storm

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    Taterjuice that's the spirit. I'm just gonna keep hacking away. Payoff will come one day. QUOTE=taterjuice;241610]I survived '08 and I'm pretty sure I'll weather this storm[/QUOTE]

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    I like hoarding my copper and brass. Its money in the bank.

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    I strongly agree.

    QUOTE=junkfreak;241652]I like hoarding my copper and brass. Its money in the bank.[/QUOTE]

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    I plan on holding on to most of the copper and copper bearing items until later as I don't have the time and energy to scrap it out now even if the price was way up. I don't let the scrap prices motivate me as I have so many other things going on.

    The plan from the start was to grab, buy and haul and hoard while the gettin' was easy and then do something with it all at a later time. I never liked having to be in a rush or wait in lines that I really didn't require to wait in. You won't find me turning in scrap when the lines are long. I wait until things settle down. I will pick prices that I will sell at and buy at. That is how I decide when to sell or buy.

    I ended up with a few pounds of copper braided cable from the lightening rod set ups that I salvaged on my last job. I have a buyer for everything I have with a great per pound value on the copper. It's far above my scrap copper price that I would sell at.

    Better then scrap value can be a large increase depending on what it is.

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    Sounds like you have a game plan sewed up. Good luck with it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRecycler View Post
    There is a saying, "Out of disaster, comes opportunity." That just might be the case with copper prices taking flight one of these days. I'm hoarding like a big dog. Just in the last three days, I have come across about 20 crt tvs which will come out to be about 50 lbs of copper when fully processed. It cost me nothing and I can afford to hoard.
    How you getting rid of the tubes?? Just wondering


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