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I'm not trying to teach an electronics class, I'm just trying to keep some new-bee's safe so they don't have to go thru what Hoss did. You do it your way and I'll do what I've done for over 20 yearsQuote:
There is no return path to the capacitors if you short one end to ground.
playing with TV's and tube amplifiers. We'll just agree to disagree,,,
Holy buhjesus yall. Run outta beer an tobaccer in the south/east or what?
I think that's what most of us newbies was needing. I first hooked mine up to an old electric fence grounding stake that was already there behind the barn where i'm working, but after seeing and reading that other thread you posted there, thinking now I'll just use the ground within the chassisQuote:
Originally Posted by wdaddy
That is the funniest thing Ive heard in a while
Ill stay away from tv's, lets just say i need to keep all that have already
sounds mpre serious than other stories I havr heard. remember in the future always discharge to be safe. glad you are alright man.
what bout caps in a AC window unit ? They need to be discharged also ?
Good to see this classic thread again! lol - now if someone could find the blow-up doll story.
Blow up dolls, burnt taters, offensive shirts...
I'm just not a nice person.
Your wish is my command, Sorry Hoss but I was ordered,,,,LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Scrapette
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Hey, hold up there Hoss!! She kinda resembles my first girlfriend!!!
Isn't there a story that goes with that pic? Something about Hoss getting pulled over by the police with the doll in the back seat? LMAO.
That's why I wait two weeks before taking apart TVs. I don't
Mess with safety....
Now that there's funny. sry Hoss probably wasn't at the time.
okay.. just finished all three of the 'recommended' threads http://www.scrapmetalforum.com/elect...g-monitor.html http://www.scrapmetalforum.com/elect...ing-guide.html and this one! and I gotta give a big THANK YOU to all the contributors. I just picked up a half dozen monitors yestrday...(they came with a free pile, TAKE IT ALL) I'm sure none have been plugged in for months, probably over a year. I still plan to use the screwdriver grounded clamp to discharge anything, but wondering, is there a time limit on the life of "bleed off resistors" holding the voltage? ie less chance the longer it has been without power?
I'm not real tech savvy and would hate to miss discharging something that might still hold a charge. Any tips on exactly what I'm looking for? or a sure fire way to tell if everything IS discharged and safe?
.........and for the blowup doll post. I keep two around, I like to make one watch! ;)
Ah, Hoss, it's good to see this thread rear up once in a while. Probably should be made a sticky.
It is the best "lesson" someone can learn without the pain, and very well told.Quote:
Originally Posted by BurlyGuys
The tires don't protect against lightning! The lightning goes on the shell of the car and then to the ground. Just about every year they mention that at storm spotter training classes. I know one spotter that was unlucky enough to be talking on his radio when his car got struck and ended up with nerve damage in his hand.
This is why i use a sludge to smash all that so i can get to the goodies. screwdrivers and sockets are for the inefficient
What the crap is a sludge, do you have sludge in your engine?? Maybe it's time for an oil change.Quote:
Originally Posted by elitelawnteam1
If your talking about smashing tubes, Please DON"T. You are contaminating the environment doing that.
http://www.scrapmetalforum.com/scrap...s-overall.htmlQuote:
* - Condoning illegal activities in posts/threads on the forum is not allowed. Example, snipping air conditioners rather than evacuating them with proper equipment, illegally dumping and/or burning your 'hazardous waste' to make a quick buck, stealing scrap metal, etc. We will not allow this and if you're caught condoning such activities you'll have a ban placed on your account.
For a person who runs a recycling business, you want to make sure the environment is protected which means no smashed CRT glass. Also, you may want to invest in some straps for your trailer, rather than a bungee cord. It looks like you have some pretty dangerous loads that you haul.Quote:
Originally Posted by elitelawnteam1
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1- You have no specific idea about how i handle components containing crts. I separate all my materials in a garage, which is swept after every load. I don't bang them out right on the street. I used to use screwdrivers until i figured it would be faster to sort it back at my house. which it is.
2- I am a curbside scrapper. I NEVER leave scrap behind. I will always make it fit, or call another truck. I have been scrapping for 2 years almost DAILY and I've never had anything fall off. That load was very secure, and it had more than one bungee cord, it had about 5 and they interconnect the scrap together. I've also gotten rid of that van-trailer setup months ago and replaced with a f150, along with 2 diesel f250s. I have straps, but bungees work good for lighter weight scrap.
This picture (which looks to have come from my facebook page) was taken this last spring. The town I live in has an annual spring clean-up and that's why the "Pick-up metal" looks so sketchy cuz i did it in a hurry. I made over a grand in 3 days. could've made more if there weren't 100 trucks crawling through my town.
I don't know how you guys scrap in texas, but in the chicago area, we stack it high.
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You have no specific idea about how i handle components containing crts. I separate all my materials in a garage,
You gave us a glimpse of how you do things, you should really rethink that. Only takes about a minute longer to do it the right way.Quote:
This is why i use a sludge to smash all that so i can get to the goodies. screwdrivers and sockets are for the inefficient
i do about 50 tvs a week. that's nearly an hour. Once again, this is done in my garage. All the glass and plastic is contained, swept up and thrown away. I don't see how you can say there is a "right" way of taking apart a tv when we both end up with the copper yolk, board, and wires separated.
there's more than one way to skin a cat
Ok so you are smashing leaded glass in an enclosed garage and your sweeping up the mess when you are done. If you are using anything less than a full face respirator you do realize your breathing in all the chemicals that are released when the glass gets smashed. Not to mention your then sweeping it up which usually will cause dust to fly around. I am not being an a-hole but if you are not taking proper precautions you will get very sick at the least if not cause serious health issues(cancer) to you and anyone else that is exposed to that area. It may not happen today,tomorrow or next year but it will happen. I know from experience what can happen to people that are exposed to toxins that at released into the air. The sickness doesn't come from high levels of exposure all the time. just prolonged exposure to low levels will get you over time. I had a close friend who worked the landfills post 9/11. She was a picture of health. 6 years later she was dead from a rare form of liver cancer. She was at the landfills sorting thru all that material for 18 months. It was determined that she got sick from all the contaminated stuff that she was sifting thru which out great leaders said was ok. Please stop doing what you are doing, for yourself and your family.
I love the hustle. I have deep respect for anyone who gets up every morning and works hard for their family. My biggest long term concern is the eventual consequences from the scrapers who take short cuts.
It’s easy to toss hazardous waste in the trash
It’s easy to snip ac lines and release the Freon
It’s easy to burn insulated wire
It’s easy to bust crt glass and throw it in the trash or bury it
Because of this, it will eventually become easy for environmental lobby groups to persuade laws where scrap yards can no longer buy from the public, buy certain materials without certificates, etc. A lot of us on this forum may one day be saying, “well, at least we had a good run”. Maybe [hopefully] I’m over exaggerating
Don't get me wrong, I understand where you guys are coming from, btw i don't snip freon lines, I have a buddy i take all my fridges&a/c units to and he takes it out for free (i think he sells the freon or something? idk) I snipped lines a few times because thats what the scrap yard guys told me to do, i didn't know it was illegal until i researched it a few weeks later. i also think you guys are a bit confused. I take a sledgehammer (i spelled "sludge" in my last post(s) my bad) and break the plastic shell in the back where each screw is so i don't have to unscrew it, that's all. I don't smash the lead glass (the brown/purple tinted glass) I've known what that stuff is for a while. I do give the cathode ray tube itself a little tap and that breaks the vacuum so i can get the yolk off.
I throw out the remnants because it's legal here, as long as all the electronic components are removed, it can go in the trash. I'd love to take it somewhere else, but everywhere that takes them requires that they are 100% intact (nothing taken out of it)
SMFHQuote:
Originally Posted by elitelawnteam1
2 screws, and pull off the clamps, then yank out the three little sticky-foam wedges with your needlenose, and the yokes twist-pull right off. The vacuum in the tube has absolutely nothing to do with wolding the yoke in place. I've only been at this scrappin' thing for 2 months and I learned this 7 weeks ago. :p
""A little tap"" on the tube to break the vacuum will make it implode. You're #$%&ing up your shop, your neighborhood, AND your body.
Well THAT would have been nice to know before we got into a heated discussion about CRT Glass with you. Before you start saying that we are "Inefficient" by not smashing TV's open, at least say what part you are smashing. When people say "Smashing a TV" on here, most of us take that as the WHOLE THING not just the plasitc.Quote:
Originally Posted by elitelawnteam1
Oh, us down here in Texas usually use large trailers and organize our scrap rather that just tossing stuff in the truck. (This is in my area at least)
yeah I don't smash the glass, there is no point to it, since there's no scrap inside the glass. I didn't think people would be jumping to conclusions and formulating opinions as fast as they did. But whatever i don't care.
Pick-ups are the only types of scrap trucks i ever see on the road. I started out at 16 with a minivan and a trailer, and now i'm 18 and i've got a f150, and access to 2 f250s if i fill up the first truck. I work as a landscaper, but scrap metal gives me some serious cash to spend on whatever. And that's nice.
Glad to hear that you are not sledging the whole tube. From earlier posts that's what it sounded like....
Auminer-I think what he is doing is tapping the top of the neck to release the vacuum so if something does drop on the actual tube it won't exploded...breaking the seal on top won't make the tube implode it only releases the vacuum and let's air into the tube slowly. I only do this if the cone is stuck on the tube with a lot of glue or whatever is used to hold the cone on. It's actually safer to do this before taking off any cone just to be totally safe.
Btw how did this thread go from Hoss making homemade mountain oysters to a discussion on breaking CRT glass?:)
OIC... . I don't do it, at least not intentionally. I try to get what I'm after fast & carefully and button the TV back up ASAP. I did snap a neck accidentally when I was torquing on a stubborn cone. THAT was a scary moment! Pulling out the sticky-foam wedges really helps with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRASSCATCHER
My apologies to ELT, then. :)
Now, back to hoss flash-frying his twig&berries.
My apologizies to elitelawnteam1 for jumping to conclusions.
Awwww. Group hug.
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Well the old saying is, Its funny to laugh about it.. afterwards as long as you're not bleeding or in a coma..
Glad You ok, and hope you don't experince that again.. Happy Scrapping.
Graciously accepted! I just need to get to know this forum a bit more. I'm a lawnsite forum member and and those guys are quite different from this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanic688
The car acts like a Faraday Cage.
Scrapside It's easier then you think. Take an old three wire plug and any power cord (extension cord , ect) you likely have around and only connect the Center(green wire). Plug it into any grounded outlet and you will have a grounded lead to use. make it as long as you need. You still need to discharge capacitors by touching that lead to them. The power wont back feed through a devices power cord. If that were the case it would be vary bad to touch the input plug on any device. This danger in present in the charge circuit on poorly designed and some home made Electric vehicles over 48 volt.Quote:
Quote Originally Posted by scrapside
I'm looking to find a convenient way to discharge any built up electricity in t.v.'s, etc... I was wondering if it would work to install a wall socket in my shop that isn't actually connected to an electrical box? The socket would have wires that were grounded to something like a metal pole, or whatever. It would be easy to just "plug in" an electronic device and let any stored electricity discharge.
Would something like that work?
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I've heard that if you leave tvs alone for at least a week, any stray voltage will go a way? Is this true or wouldn't you bank on it. When I get a tv now, I put a date on it and then don't mess with it for at least a week. Haven't had any problems so far...
Well, TheHoss summed it up the best and he broke down literally thousands of TV's. He mentioned a few times that at least 48 hours and most or all voltage should be bled off. I think your safe with a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by DakotaRog