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    Big free machinery

    Title says it all but it's the logistics I'm wondering about. Someone says they have a busted Wire EDM machine and is free for the hauling. Says it weighs about 10k lbs. My question is what is the preferred or even bare minimum way of transporting something like this? I'm on the scrapper level of asking a friend to assist and bring his trailer. My guess is it's out of my league but checking if there's a way to swing this, or if anyone just knows it's not worth it too I guess.
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    Check out and see if a yard would come and get it and how much that would cost from what you would make. Then figure out a way to get it to a yard and make more money but also more work. See what makes more cents! Sometimes easier to only make a few dollars than a fistful! Good luck and make sure you post what happens with this!

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    My major problem is i don't know what options there are for transporting something like that. 10k lbs is high for some trailers isn't it?

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    Check to see what your friend's capacity is. It is likely on a plate on the trailer. You could also rent a trailer or truck. I suggest you do as Hobo has advised and see what you can get if the yard comes and picks it up.

    Also it may well weigh that much and it may be much less. If you can get the model number you may be able to do a search and come up with the actual weight.

    10000lbs X $0.05/lb = $500 a nice day's pay if you don't have too work to hard or rent a truck or share with a partner.

    Who moves it from where it is onto your trailer or truck?

    Don't get discouraged but be informed. Will they require you to have liability insurance?

    If you don't already have insurance you need to look into it. I would start with an independent insurance agent that has experience dealing with business. You will have to explain what you do before you get the policy. 73, Mike
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    Now go beat the copper out of something, Miked

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    The ad does specify that insurance is required. My posts may be confusing but this is basically a craigslist ad saying come pick it up. I don't currently have it. It seems like it's probably just something I'm not really prepared to deal with. I browse the free section for things I can fit into an SUV to take back to my apartment with a storage shed. If anyone is near bloomington, in though and wants a crack at it pm me.

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    You have a great opportunity here, to make money and learn the scrapping trade. There are two ways to look at this project, scrap or haul. Hobofinds and Miked have great suggestions and I am going to add a third option.

    To haul you will need to figure out how to load it on a trailer. Each situation is unique requiring creativity or heavy machinery. The trailer has three elements to consider including the ability of the hauling vehicle, axle weight limits, and the tire weight limits. You will want at least 5,000 pd. axles (part of the weight will be carried by the tow vehicle) and better yet 7,000 pd. axles with a minimum of two axles. An eight hole pattern for the wheels indicates a heavier axle. Eight ply truck tires are usually rated for over three thousand pds. each. Fourteen ply trailer tires are rated to 4,500 pds. Even if the trailer can handle the weight, do not assume the ramps can be used to load it.

    I am set up to haul 20,000 pds. with all of my goosenecks and 40,000 pds. with my tractor trailer. With this ability I would be tempted to remove the non-ferrous and sell the rest as prepared metal. There are many threads on the forum talking about cutting wheels, sawzaws, construction saws, and torches. If you are serious about scrapping, this is the perfect situation. Get educated on the forum, be creative, and go for it. You got it.
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    OK I will consider looking a little further into this even though it feels way bigger than something I'm able to handle. A buddy at work says he has a 7000 pound trailer that he would be willing to help with. It appears this machine is located at a shop that does machining and fabrication so it's likely in the middle of their work area. I have texted the owner asking if it would break down a little for easier transport and that was when he responded, "It could come apart but nothing easy about a 10,000 lb. machine." So my best idea so far is to go check it out, see if they have forklifts there, see how to break it up just a little and make a couple trips to the yard using said friends trailer.


    Including link to picture in the ad:
    https://images.craigslist.org/00M0M_...m_1200x900.jpg

    Charmilles Robofil 6020. I can't seem to find something about its actual weight and dimensions.
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    Edit: I'm very unfamiliar with what type of liability insurance is needed here. I'm not a business, just an individual if that's important.

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    The owner clarified and said that it had to be an insured rigger to haul or hire one to haul it away. He could offer no assistance in loading it, like a front loader or something to put onto a trailer. With my situation, this is where I had to call it quits. Thanks for all the great advice though and I will likely reference this thread in the future.

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    really all you have to do is call a rollback and have them transport it to yard.........just make sure you will receive more for the metal than the tow

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    Why wouldn't the current owner/business already have done this on his own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubs1201 View Post
    Why wouldn't the current owner/business already have done this on his own?
    Disinterst, assumes it's more work than it is, is too busy, the machine haunted and doesn't want to disturb the spirits, who knows? Some of what we do as scrappers come from specialized knowledge. But parts are simply transporting from one place to another because someone else just didn't want to do it.

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    I suppose I can look around and see if it's worth it to just play middle man. I would just arrange for transport straight to the yard. I have no storage space where I could work on this to separate any metals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubs1201 View Post
    I suppose I can look around and see if it's worth it to just play middle man. I would just arrange for transport straight to the yard. I have no storage space where I could work on this to separate any metals.
    That's what those who suggested you contact a yard and see if they would do the pick up.

    Let's say you put $100(for example)in your pocket after arranging the yard to do the pick up. Would that be worth it to you? It would be worth the phone call?

    I think you asked why the guy didn't do it himself. Likely he doesn't know enough to call the a yard and doesn't want to spend the time to figure it out.

    We as scrapers are really in a service business. Sometimes we make our money off the scrap sometimes we make money being paid to remove the scrap. Most times for me I profit from selling used material for re-use and the scrap is just a bi-product.

    The service I provide to my customers is removing unwanted material that can not be easily disposed of in a legal/moral way.

    Continue to read the old threads and you will learn new ways to profit, I did. 73, Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJinLV View Post
    Disinterst, assumes it's more work than it is, is too busy, the machine haunted and doesn't want to disturb the spirits, who knows?
    LoL. When I did my apprenticeship, we were shown thru a very large and varied Machinist workshop.
    In one corner section there was a wire EDM machine and a older chap running it. They used to to cut open the tyre molds they make into sections.
    We were told that "That guy has been running that machine for 25 years, he's the only one here who knows how to use it. Its his only job and nobody else goes near it. When he retires they are going to scrap it and place a order for a brand new EDM"


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