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    A pound of sheet iron / shred and the price of a gallon of gas

    So sheet iron dropped it is now $115 net ton so $.0575 lb.

    While a gallon of gas has gone up to $2.639

    That's not how it usually works around here... higher fuel costs normally mean higher scrap steel prices in the past!

    What are you paying for a gallon of gas?

    Better than the dump!

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    $3.29 in Burns, Oregon I haven't been hauling anything in recently, but have heard that the price is inching up in the Idaho yards that I use.

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    * looks out window *
    $2.89 /gal for gas, and last time I hauled shred in, it was $0.03/lb .
    Clean 'light iron' I think is around $0.05 in my area.

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    $2.93 a gallon at the 7-11. Got stopped by a train today and it was mostly hauling cast iron pipes and tankers

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    2.45 gallon and 1.50 N/T shred
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    US$1.65 a Litre for 95 octane in NewZealand.

    I dunno how many litres in a gallon, I worked it out once using the fact that in NZ a '44 Gallon drum' (3 foot high by 2 feet dia) holds 210 Litres....that a gallons 4 & 1/2 (4.5) litre.
    And I must be right because a 'quart' has 1.125 litres in it.

    But then I was told I was wrong. Which probably explains why we pay so **** much for our petrol here. Nobody else can figure it out either...

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    https://www.unitconverters.net/volum...to-gallons.htm

    1 liter = 0.2641720524 gallon (US)
    1 gal (US) = 3.785411784 L

    How to Convert Liter to Gallon (US)

    1 L, l = 0.26417205235815 gal (US)
    1 gal (US) = 3.785411784 L, l

    Example: convert 15 L, l to gal (US):
    15 L, l = 15 0.26417205235815 gal (US) = 3.9625807853722 gal (US)

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    ~$2.50 a gallon and I'm getting $.08 a lb for steel in Bryan/College Station TX.
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    $2.79 for gas, $105 gt for shred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eesakiwi View Post
    US$1.65 a Litre for 95 octane in NewZealand.

    I dunno how many litres in a gallon, I worked it out once using the fact that in NZ a '44 Gallon drum' (3 foot high by 2 feet dia) holds 210 Litres....that a gallons 4 & 1/2 (4.5) litre.
    And I must be right because a 'quart' has 1.125 litres in it.

    But then I was told I was wrong. Which probably explains why we pay so **** much for our petrol here. Nobody else can figure it out either...
    It might be higher taxes on a liter of fuel in N.Z. ?

    https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/owning-a-car/fuel-prices-and-types/petrol/

    It could be the exchange rates too. I believe most crude oil is traded in USD ? If the NZD slips against the USD that would drive up prices at the pump were you are.

    The other thing is that you only have one refinery and that's tightly regulated. You could say that there's a monopoly. Competition with other refined fuel producers could help drive down gas prices.

    ==============

    We're getting our seasonal increase on the cost of a gallon of gas here in the states now. We're coming up on our summer season and that means more leisure driving and more demand. The sales at our company gas station in the summer are roughly 2 - 3x what they are during the dead of winter.

    The other thing is that our refineries switch over production seasonally. Sometimes they focus more on producing gasoline and other times they focus more on diesel, kerosene, and home heating fuel. There's little demand for #2 home heating fuel in August so that's when the price is at it's lowest every year.

    There's a relationship between crude oil prices and the other commodities like steel, copper, and PM's though because they're energy intensive to produce and transport.

    Anyway ... the basic idea is right. There's the relationship between scrap prices and gasoline but you just have to look a little deeper to see what's causing gas prices to go up.

    Sometimes it's the normal seasonal cycle. Othertimes, it's because the price of a barrel of crude has gone up.
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    To much. The good news is scrap prices continue to increase faster than fuel in my area.

    In the past the correlation between diesel prices and scrap has been more accurate than gas to scrap in the Midwest. As commodities the three often move with the trends. I think the rules in the past will be irrelevant in the current world market.
    A clue to highlight this belief will the be the relationship between the price of a barrel of oil and the price per gallon of gas. In addition the price of scrap may not correlate to finished steel. Add to this the impact politics will have on food production and I think the direct relationship between commodities will disappear temporarily. Until the U.S. mills create a stockpile of metal, I think scrap will increase faster than fuel costs.
    As a scrapper I hope to replenish more than I use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot76 View Post
    To much. The good news is scrap prices continue to increase faster than fuel in my area.

    In the past the correlation between diesel prices and scrap has been more accurate than gas to scrap in the Midwest. As commodities the three often move with the trends. I think the rules in the past will be irrelevant in the current world market.
    A clue to highlight this belief will the be the relationship between the price of a barrel of oil and the price per gallon of gas. In addition the price of scrap may not correlate to finished steel. Add to this the impact politics will have on food production and I think the direct relationship between commodities will disappear temporarily. Until the U.S. mills create a stockpile of metal, I think scrap will increase faster than fuel costs.
    Hopefully you time these increase in prices just in time for that cruise with your wife! Has to be getting close by now!

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    Gas still rising at $2.57 here. Car body/Tin holding steady at $150/t, or .0750/lb.

    Regardless of the political angle, as a scrapper it was nice to see a 50% price jump on steel post-tariff announcement.

    Then I went to price a new trailer and all of the mfrs are already throwing 10% tariff surcharges on their new order equipment.

    It's going to be a total economic wash for me it looks like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobo finds View Post
    Hopefully you time these increase in prices just in time for that cruise with your wife! Has to be getting close by now!
    Only old timers remember that strategy and that includes the wife. She has decided to continue her career so she will get a longer cruise when the time comes. I do not consider this a hijacking of the thread since you started it.
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    Gas up here to $2.759 and sheet iron holding steady at $115 net ton or $.0575 lb. Hopefully no Summer Price drop for metal this year but we will wait and see....

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    Gas up to 3.11 and shred at 175/Ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eesakiwi View Post
    US$1.65 a Litre for 95 octane in NewZealand.

    I dunno how many litres in a gallon, I worked it out once using the fact that in NZ a '44 Gallon drum' (3 foot high by 2 feet dia) holds 210 Litres....that a gallons 4 & 1/2 (4.5) litre.
    And I must be right because a 'quart' has 1.125 litres in it.

    But then I was told I was wrong. Which probably explains why we pay so **** much for our petrol here. Nobody else can figure it out either...
    $162 US a litre in my part of Canada, Vancouver B.C. $200.00 US litre for $9.00 a gallon

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    Petrols gone up by about 15% in NZ since I posted last.

    Its about US$5.85 a gallon, US$6 in some places, probably expecting NZ$3.00/Litre by the end of the year..

    I just paid NZ$2.25/litre for Ron 85 octane today, I'd paid $2.40/L last week @ a random petrol station.
    In 1998 it was NZ$0.90 cents a litre...

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    I don't have a trailer or a vehicle with towbar & the local councils been pressuring me to clean up my (suburban) property..

    So I organised someone on the "you get the first NZ$50.." bait.
    He organises trailer, I have to put in $20 petrol cos its on 'E'.
    We go pick up trailer & chat about how he's got it 2 days ago & did some work on it.
    We joke about "loose wheel nuts", we each had a story to tell..
    I check the wheel closest as a joke.
    We load up scrapmetal, all clean sheet.
    Drive there 5 mins, I decide the 'weird noise' should be investigated.ahh
    To find one smoking tyre rubbing on the guard, and 4 loose wheel nuts, on the wheel I didn't check....
    " Ah, hm". Find no wheel brace, but borrow one. Tighten nuts.
    Unload scrap for 780kgs.
    Get $34..@ NZ$50/Ton. (US$35...)

    I kept the $4 & gave him the $30 (+$20 petrol)

    Still laughing about it now.
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    Hobo-
    You are correct- higher gas prices have nearly always brought up the price of steel historically. We are at $2.68 and $170/ton (just went to the yard on Saturday)
    I'm so into scrapping.. When my Steel Toe Boots Wear out, I cut the Steel out of them and recycle the Toe!

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