The Freemasons and their many faces control the markets and most everything else. What might they have in mind for the future of the metals market?
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The Freemasons and their many faces control the markets and most everything else. What might they have in mind for the future of the metals market?
Well now ... that was random and has absolutely nothing to do with ACCR's thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChildhoodDream
Why don't you start your own thread in off topic discussions and then we can talk it over.
The question was asked about what the metals market for copper and silver might do in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by hills
I gave a answer that is very relevant for where the near futures prices may go.
It's no BIG secret on WHO runs this world.
Do a little research on WHO of the rich and powerful as well as famous are Freemasons. It might surprise you.
Copper and silver might go up if it can accomplish something of value overall.
They can mine all they want if that yields the best overall profits.
I realize that I'm just a little guy in the BIG picture. To the BIG picture I'm worth less then a good dog.
A good dog has a value to the rich and famous as well as it has a value to the little guy.
Quality and value is in the eye of the beholder.
As for that much BIGGER world "out there".
Most don't have much of a clue as they are NOT interested in anything that gets in the way of their trying to have FUN and Live, simply put.
I understand this world very well. I also have a great understanding of it's many people.
The copper and silver question?
I haven't a clue as to where it may go, just as the weather is VERY unpredictable.
The responses have gotten almost robotic. Could childhood dream be using A.I.
I don't fit in that "box", as I have never required a box to fit into.
I'm just very consistent.
Another robotic post....same thing over and over....any new info either way last post as this is a buyers thread
Copper and silver will go up over time.
Thanks for the heads up CD. I had to scroll back to the previous page to understand. ACCR invited us to talk about silver & copper in his thread so it's all good. It's a really interesting subject for me cause i'm sitting on 600 lbs of #2 copper and 500 lbs of brass at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChildhoodDream
It seems as though copper prices have held pretty well this year. I think it's driven by the conflict in Ukraine. The Russian military expended much of it's existing ammunition supplies and was calling on their version of the war dept to re-supply them with new. The countries supporting Ukraine have been supplying them with a lot of ammo too. That's a big manufacturing demand for brass on the global market.
Longer term ? Wars don't last forever. It eventually gets resolved through diplomacy. Then you get all the scrap metal being picked up & recycled after hostilities come to an end. That reduces demand and increases supply of copper and it's derivatives. One would expect prices to drop.
The other reason copper & brass prices should drop is that these metals aren't used very much in plumbing anymore. Most everything is plastic now. There's PEX for water piping and schedule 40 for DWV. It's cheaper, faster to install, and doesn't affect drinking water quality the way copper and lead do. That's a big issue with the EPA and the clean drinking water act.
Copper isn't used nearly as much in electrical work anymore. Most of the heavy cables are aluminum. So many of the electrical motors and even generators are being would with aluminum now that they resolved a technical issue with the connections.
I can assure you ... there's absolutely nothing to the Freemason thing CD. So terribly sad ... a once great institution that served a fine and noble purpose rendered all but obsolete in this modern world of ours.
You left out fiber optic cable that replaces the need for copper or other metals.
As for copper and silver. MANY are investing in both and hoarding it. Where that may end is anyone's guess.
The nickel market is doing well. It's over $9.00 a pound.
As for Freemasons, they are very much "alive" and growing. Most try and ignore what they don't like or understand. But enough of that.
Just as well as this site has changed through the years as the world around us has.
It's a bit like a dog that is old and sleeping, and you have to take a close look to see if they are still alive.
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Originally Posted by jimicrk
Sure ... as long as i can post pics of me and my husband in your electronics thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimicrk
Ohh man ... he's got an ass to die for ! :))
I watched as others started "visiting" on this thread and thought, that's nice.
I figured I would join in as it's not so bad as it keeps things moving around here.
The biggest value of this site is all the great information that can be found as well as the visiting on many levels.
I myself don't do Facebook and such as it doesn't interest me.
So here is where I will post a bit here and there when the mood hit's me.
This visiting does keep this up near the top. And that's not so bad in todays markets and such.
Good point on the fiber optic cable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChildhoodDream
I can see investing in silver but not copper. Silver is ungainly to transport and store. $ 1000 face of junk sliver coins is about 54 lbs. It's portable wealth that isn't very portable. Been there/done that back in the late 70's when silver was hot. I think you would have to go with copper futures if you wanted to invest there.
Found a good link on silver this afternoon.
https://investingnews.com/daily/reso...ce-for-silver/
As for the Freemasons ?
Look ... dude ... you've said that you are superstition free. Why are you buying into all of this conspiracy nonsense ? You know better than that.
Truth is ... it's a dying tradition. Membership has been steadily declining since it's heyday in the 1950's. They've been closing and consolidating lodges due to lack of interest. It's an open secret. It's all there on the net for anyone to see. Lodges,locations, and their leadership are all clearly posted on the web.
Some secrets are secrets as that's what most want them to be.
So on to the next topic.
I ran into another factor that might influence the copper market over the next ten years. Electric cars and city busses are becoming much more common now. There's a pretty hard global push to start the changeover from gas & diesel to electric.
They're trying to reduce the amount of copper needed to build these EV's but it's still quite a lot.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...al-2023-07-07/
Question of the week.... What will happen first..... Will gold go below $1800/oz. or will gold go above $2000.00/oz?
Can't say that i have an informed opinion but my instinct is that gold will go for a run. Just don't see how The Fed could have inflated the money supply to that extent ... without it further debasing the buying power of the USD. Reason would suggest that it should take more dollars to buy that ounce of gold. The price of gold would appear to go up until the value of the USD finds it's new equilibrium. That would be a slow process taking place over a number of years.
Food for thought... We all see the electronics recycling business evolving. In my mind in order for companies to survive there will have to be a spike in PM prices. With current overhead and inflation challenges I am thinking it will be difficult for many to make ends meet with where the value currently stands on the newer materials. While I believe there is twice as much of the newer material out there as there was the older material there are also many more companies recycling electronics than there were 10 years ago. Thoughts?
Maybe it's a matter of different worlds but i don't see what you're seeing. Over the years ... the electronics manufacturers became very good at doing more with less. Much much less in fact. Compare the size of a cd/dvd board from the early 2000's to something manufactured within the last five years. Look at the value items on the two boards like SMD's. There's hardly anything to them now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ACCR
I think about the trend from large to smaller as well. We went from desktops to laptops to tablets to small hand held devices like a cell phone for our computing needs. There used to be quite a bit in a desktop. There's hardly anything to a cell phone board. Maybe it takes 20 cell phone boards to make one pound ?
I'm fairly close to the electronic waste stream. One used to see a variety of things that were worth scrapping five or ten years ago. Nowadays .... 95% of what's coming in are bubbleback and flat screen TV's. You see a desktop or a laptop every once in awhile but they're not common. Maybe a few modems & routers but the boards don't weigh up to much.
Anyhow ... the handwriting has been on the wall for awhile now. We were discussing this progressively less and less phenomena here at SMF eight or ten years ago. It seems like it's come to a point where the ewaste resource is almost played out now.
That's just a small time scrapper's perspective on it.
Honestly one must adjust........Refurb......Re-sell........More than scrap value is the only way at this point to stay afloat........There is nothing to a desktop anymore as far as weight but the components can be worth more than scrap value......Laptops still sell.......Desktops not so much but there is still a need for them.......As far as scrap goes the values have gone way down and it is harder to find a constant supply of good material to just scrap........Oh well I will carry on until either I can't or the phone stops ringing