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Having trouble getting rid of some of these items........Either shipping costs to much or scrap yard doesn't want to pay what I consider fair price.....Oh well I'll continue to process stuff and hopefully get to this stuff later
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Long story short place that was buying this stuff went out of business then opened back up to far away for me to haul........I guess I'll call around as this is only a fraction of what I have just this stuff has been separated for the most part
Drooling over here! that is a nice bunch of stuff.... If I had all that by me I could get
$0.22/lb for the alum heatsinks and other alum
$0.43/lb for all the wires (as is, mixed with all ends on)
The cases would just be shred at like $0.04/lb.
The powersupplies, since I dont have a powersupply buyer I would take apart. All the wires would go into the wire bin, the alum heatsinks in with the aluminum, transformers ripped off an go in with the elec motors ($0.08/lb around me), the case would go into shred, and the boards Id save as low grade. There is a place a little farther away that buys low-grade board at a little higher than shred price.
If everywhere by you isnt buying though, not sure what youre gunna do as I dont think it would make sense to ship to elsewhere. It might though
One yard here totally removed the low grade wire from their buying list, The other yard was paying .08/lb for that junk wire when prices were decent. Can only imagine what they are paying now
There are places buying I just feel like I get ripped off every time I sale it.....they want to give me dirty prices and low grade wire which I guess some of it is
I think the last quote I got on cast was around .10 cents/lb....seems terrible
And not sure how this works but we have Alcoa Aluminum not 30-40 minutes away......I know they were involved in processing stuff for the ford f150 aluminum bed thing but I guess aluminum is in an over abundance
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Originally Posted by mikeinreco
That does seem low. The yard by me only has 1 grade/price. "Insulated copper wire". So vacuum cords, power cords, pc cords, electronics cords..... all the same, and about $0.40/lb. Cast and sheet I lump together/dont seperate, and get around $0.20/lb.... might be able to call around and find better prices, those prices do seem low for sure.
Looks like Alcoa is moving away from aluminum industry.....they appear to have already split the company
Where are you in Tennessee? Shipping those PSUs shouldn't be too bad? Do you know the weight of that Gaylord and dimensions? Do you have a way of getting it to a freight terminal. If you do, I'll run some numbers for you. I have found freight to be fairly easy to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
I guess around 1000lbs with pallet and box....pretty standard gaylord....yes i can drop off at terminal.....i think eeasted offers like .24 cents/lb and thats around what it costs to ship single pallet....if you come up with something better let me know im in 37917 zip
There is a cheaper way... AND you get free gaylords. Since I can't get decent advice out here, I'm not going to give any freebies out. But there is someone out there who gives a gaylord and shipping combo. Lets see the freight jockey's find this one?
128.18 1000 pound 40x48x40 dropped off 37921Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
Believe it or not, 2 of those boxes is 125 and change.
So by my math If we went by ewasted prices I would get a check for around $91........That is figuring there is #900lbs of power supplies.......I feel like they are worth more than that
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Originally Posted by mikeinreco
You might be better off disassembling and scrapping them I would think....
round me if that was 900lbs of power supplies, that might be like (just guessing)
200lb wires * 0.40 = $80
20lbs alum * 0.20 = $4
50lbs transformers * 0.08 = $4
200lb low grade board * 0.07 = $14
430 lb shred * 0.03 = $13
So thats $115, and hours of work taking them all apart.... so.... $90 just shipping them off as is doest seem too far off to me. But, I have never had nearly that quanity of power supplies so my ratios may be off, plus you said your prices local are much lower than mine. Might have to just hoarde them a while
Hey mthomas, are you going off shipping to Ewasted or somewhere else with a different price too? I have a bunch of PSUs from what I'm scrapping- They're sitting in a cage I made so I don't have a weight, but when I ship out of Billings, I have room for four pallets on my trailer, so I could easily integrate them into my load instead of giving them to the yard. I ship out of Billings since it's WAY cheaper than sending from Wyoming here. Plus, I work with a couple SMF guys in Montana so I make a day out of it. The Billings ZIP Code is 59101
Prices I listed where Knoxville TN to oakwood village, oh. Dropped at terminal, same company I used to ship to you in Billings. Give me some estimated weights and dimensions and I'll punch it in if you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by matador
Ran 1000 pound pallets 40x48x40. Single was 128.18. 2 to 6 pallets was running about $90.50 per pallet. Billings to oakwood village.Quote:
Originally Posted by matador
My thoughts , perhaps a few of those power supply’s are larger size and could be sold easily on Craig’s . Some one might even buy them all at scrap price would save you shipping . Maybe offer them at $1 a piece online maybe get a bite.
Do any of your local yards give a bump for weight ? One by me will increase my per pound price if I bring in a certain weight on a particular item . That’s my best advice on the wire aside from doing a proper sort . As for the steel we’ll just be glad you get anything for that at the moment . Imho the free space is worth more to me than any steel pile .
That’s my best attempt to increase your profit margin on these items . Happy new year my friend
My quote on that freight is $119.58 on 1000 lbs thats on mikes freight
Just goes to show everyone that volume talks. This goes for selling as well as shipping. If you have quantity when selling, don't be afraid to ask for more or even throw other prices around. You'd be surprised how often a place will match or beat someone's prices.Quote:
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That seems crazy cheap for an entire pallet! How is that even possible?! LOL
I shipped a small 24inx24in box, like 60lbs or so through USPS and it was like $70! I gotta do more research into freight shipping!
Although I dont have gayloards, pallets, or a forklift to load them once full into my truck... so I would have to have it picked up from my house to a local terminal, which I am sure would increase the price drastically
Pallets are easy to find. Get small boxes from home Depot. Do a dry run building your stack of boxes on the pallet. Buy a roll of plastic wrap from Home Depot. Bring all this to the terminal and build the pallet in the parking lot. Pickup at a residential address adds a ton of money. Commercial addresses are cheaper, even more so if you have a dock or fork lift.Quote:
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I have a local place that gives out free pallets, and have tons of boxes, just never considered it as I thought it was super expensive and also never considered I could have tons of smaller boxes and build in the parking lot!! THAT is a great idea. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by mthomasdev
This is always the dilemma of the small to medium sized scrap operations....ewaste or otherwise.......I know larger operations have their own problems but logistics like these are probably not one of them
Pallets are easy to find for free- check your lumber yards and building centers if you're unsure where to go. They'll usually point you in the right direction. Out here, there are tons of farmers, so they use pallets for seed- the neighbor has an endless supply of free pallets.
As for gaylords, that I haven't figured out yet. I have two from people who shipped me MTSV items to test, so I'm using those for this lot. You can get two pieces of plywood and make an enclosure, but you add weight, work, and it costs a pretty penny. I'd be cheaper to get more Home Depot boxes, but I work with the recycling center in town, so I get free boxes there. The problem is that they're all different sizes, so I need the gaylord.
Shipping is "interesting" for me. I can take stuff to the terminal here in NW Wyoming and save money, but if I drive to Billings, MT, I save a LOT on shipping. The joys of being on the end of the freight line...
I don't have a forklift either, though it's on my wish list. So, I have a little different approach to shipping....
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I bought this trailer last fall for shipping pallets. She cost me $180, and plates are about $30/year. She'll haul 4 pallets at a time, and that's pretty much all I plan on using her for, so I can load her while taking my sweet time.
I use my green enclosed trailer for collecting E-Waste, but this Spring, it seems like I'll be in hot demand, so I may have to build taller sides on this trailer and get her in on the action too
Not so much that you are on the end of the freight line, it's more that there are no national carriers. You wind up paying 2 different carriers, each who want to make a profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by matador
Something I found interesting when shipping to you:
1. Putting in your address, they said the terminal I should use was in Denver and not Billings.
2. Shipping to Denver was more expensive than shipping to Billings.
3. Shipment to Billings went thru Denver.
This may indicate that there is more freight coming out of Billings than going in and there is ample truck space.
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What dimensions is that trailer? I am going to be in the market for a trailer soon. I can only tow 3500#.So far I am looking at probably getting a 5x8 utility trailer and building sides for it.
Since Ive started getting more pickups recently, Ive recently had to make multiple trips to the site and then also to the scrap yard. A trailer would have saved me probably 6 trips thus far just this year (6days).... So its def on my list.... just waiting for the right deal on a used one to come along before just grabbing a new one from tractor supply if a good used deal doesnt come up soon....
Karasuba is really a one-off trailer. She just happened to be perfect for me. What she is: Basically a homemade two-place snowmobile trailer with a mobile home axle under her, and she's set up to dump (Though I'll hardly ever use that anyways). The mobile home axle isn't legal in all states, but in Wyoming and Montana, totally fine. She has "Dayton Wheels", which are a pain in the butt to balance when you have to change a tire. But, mobile home axles and those 14.5 inch tires are rated to carry a LOT of weight. She's homemade, so there's no "official GVWR" on her, but the axle and tires are rated to about 4500#.
As for the dimensions, she's 7.5 feet wide, and 8.5 feet long. She fits 4 pallets perfectly, but it's an odd size for sure. I bought her to pull scrap with actually, but my main trailer is loaded with stuff, so I needed something to haul pallets. I found that she holds four, and she's now my pallet hauler for sure. I could make her enclosed too, but she's a TALL trailer already- loading E-Waste in her would be a total pain. Here's a photo of her at the auction yard before I bought her- it kinda gives a better perspective of the deck size:
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What you'll probably end up with is something like my enclosed trailer.
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Akitsu is just your normal 5x8 trailer, and the sides went up to the top of the black rail on her. I used 2x4's and framed her into an enclosed trailer. She's a little heavy, but since I caulked her, she does a good job of keeping E-Waste dry. I can pull her with my F150, but anyone who's owned a 300 Inline 6 can tell you that they don't like to pull things. I have her hooked to my old Dodge there, but I rarely use the Dodge for towing. That box on there holds my scrap for the landfill. I'm thinking about removing the box and putting a cage on that truck for hauling metal PC cases and printer carcasses to the metal yard.
Anyways, the base frame of my green trailer is more like what you'll probably find. I designed the box to be removable, but it'll take so freaking long to get it off that I'll probably never bother to use her as an open trailer. All in all, between the cost of lumber and lost wages from the week it took me to build her, I could have probably just gone and bought an actual enclosed trailer. But, what's the fun in doing things the right way? :lol:
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Originally Posted by matador
Nice setup, on both trailers. Yes I am thinking I will most likley end up with something very similar to your bottom trailer, a normal 5x8 utility, with homemade side. Wont enclose the top because I rarely need to keep my loads dry so wont add the extra weight.... Ill be pulling with a 2.7l inline FOUR cylinder (2wd tacoma). The manual says it can tow 3500..... I am very doubtful.... but it is rated for, and says it can.... I have also seen a few small, old, single horse trailers that are mostly enclosed and not too pricey. But not sure how they would do for hauling.
I don't know what year your Tacoma is, but the neighbor's farm has a lot of those Tacomas. All with the 2.7L engine, manual transmission, extended cab, rear wheel drive. The manual is not great for towing- the first gear is too high. But, even with that, they'll tow 3500 pounds- I've done it before. The key isn't the weight as much as the height- wind resistance is what makes tall trailers so hard to pull. If you're not hauling small stuff much, you can make this not so bad by using stake bed sides- the air passing between the boards makes a LOT of difference.
Horse trailers can be great or terrible- I own one from the days that we raised hogs. Ours pulls HARD. If you can, you want to test-pull it first, and that's true for any used trailer. If you can't, you can fix some of the hard pulling with things like bearings and alignments. But, with any 30 year old trailer, your mileage WILL vary. Some were just better cared for than others.
But, 3500 pounds- if your Tacoma is like the neighbors' 2011 ones, you'll be fine. You'll be in the slow lane, but you'll tow better than the F-150 I make do with
Yea mine is a 2014, auto 4-speed, rwd, regular cab. I think the 5x8 tractor supply trailer is in my future. it is 799.99 I think, but I have seen them go down to 599.99 during sales so will prob wait for one of them and get a brand new sorted one. I hadnt thought about the wind resistance, but I had planned on making 3 sides front, and the 2 sides, with 4ft plywood (4ftx8fts down the side, and one cut in half for the front), 2x4 reinforced. Since the back has a tall gate, it would essentially be "enclosed" on all sides, just not the top, which is what I was hoping for. I hate having to worry about stuff flying our or if I secured it enough, while going down the highway, so I wanted it mostly enclosed.Quote:
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Surprised Matador that out there on the farm you don't have some type of tractor with a forklift type attachment
If you're sending to CFCS you'll have to take the steel off anyway (double check with Mario if you want because I got that from Jay, the scale man) and that will lighten your load.
Always mix in some of the lower grade stuff on your pallet so it doesn't pile up on you. That way you can still get a pretty decent payout, especially when you factor in that they pay better for most lower grade items than your local yard will.
Hopefully, you have a decent scale to weigh everything. Before sending, record your net weights in a spreadsheet so you can see how it will work out sending in a mix of the higher and lower grade items on the same pallet. That takes the guess work out of it.
Yea I have sent lower paying items in before sometimes just to get rid of them other times just to see how payout went.........It definitely brings down the average payout for the items but this is to be expected
There isn't much in the power supplies that make them worthwhile.It's a hard go with those things.Even the wire coming out of them is tinned copper so it's not worth much. It might be okay of you had cheap labor, processed them by the gaylord, and could extract every little bit of value out of the things. Maybe better to delegate that job to someone in a 3rd world country and use your time more productively ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
It's a similar problem with " computer wire ". It's almost all small gauge tinned copper. Lots of plastic, low copper recovery, and to make matters worse ... there's a fair amount of aluminum braid in it's construction as well. It would be a miserable job to run that through a granulator. Lots of waste and the output product would be heavily contaminated. Barely a #2 copper if that.
Maybe it was a learning thing for the scrap buying industry ? They used to pay better for it .... but after awhile they figured out that it was only marginally worth doing ? It's really scraping the bottom of the barrel for material if you're running a granulator ?
Around here, " computer wire " goes as low grade insulated @ .05 /lb.
Mid-grade is .40/lb. That's stuff that "plugs into the wall" . It seems to average somewhere around 30 % recovery and is seldom tinned. You can get away with mixing in the individual strands of PSU wire & individual strands of marine and automotive wire even though that stuff is usually tinned copper.
Just figured i would throw it out there as grist for the mill. It might make it easier to part with it if you don't feel like you're getting ripped off. :)