Don't how many of you have read this one but NuLife is having problems. I hope it all doesn't effect the entire country, but it probably will.
https://resource-recycling.com/e-scr...ds-operations/
What do you all think about this?
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Don't how many of you have read this one but NuLife is having problems. I hope it all doesn't effect the entire country, but it probably will.
https://resource-recycling.com/e-scr...ds-operations/
What do you all think about this?
Its sad but more and more places will landfill them. The worst of the CRT wave has passed and lots of them have been recycled but as the CRT's end the only place for them to go is the landfill...
Been reading about this for a while. NuLife claims that to ensure profitabilty, when you start up a furnance, you should have 10 years worth of feedstock. Kind of makes sense. Why install a furnance and find out later that you can't make your investment back. Problem here is the EPA speculative accumulation rule. Basically says you must recycle at least 75% of your stock each year to not be considered speculative accumulation. Also read that either NY or PA wanted some sort of bond to ensure that if they went belly up, someone would clean up the rest of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tski72
This seems very easy to me; smash them and pulverize the glass to a point it can be added to highway pavements and cement and make roads out of it. It will be bound for decades, maybe centuries in the grind, mix, repave loop. Use it for sand and aggregate in building projects. Use it to make windows and car parts and components... Headlights, windows, insulators.
Use the leaded glass to make bricks to entomb Fukushima......
Good link/site. E-Scrap 2017
Word from the underground says that, in copper smelting, the crushed CRT glass can be used in place of mined angelsite, displacing mined minerals for greatly increased cost-efficiency (essentially using garbage to save on virgin material). However, as I understand it, the EPA does not distinguish CRT glass in any form or consistency so, even when pulverized and applied to industrial soldering, it's technically the same as burning a TV to toast a hot dog. Apparently, the big copper operations in Latin America would love to have this stuff but without a push to ease regulation in the end use of CRT glass (or how it is defined), they can't risk the fines, which could run into the hundreds of millions.
As long as the EPA identifies CRTs as toxic waste, there is nothing that can be legally done. In many European countries, TVs are permanently stored in attics and garages due to the sky-high costs of legally disposing of them !
There's a reason people call the EPA "Employment Prevention Agency". Constantly in everyone's way that is trying to accomplish anything.
That's what they doing in the county I live in.
I hate to take them to the landfill but they take up so much space. I will no longer be accepting them. Even at the $10 fee lve been charging to remove them. $300- $400 a month is not worth it to me.
CRT glass is leaded, Highly leaded i'm told any use of it will allow the lead to leach out slowly, but the EPA doesn't care about that... I mean they wont let you use lead wheel weights because they end up beside the road no way they are going to make leaded gravel for asphalt. :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by t00nces2
V/r HT1
I found this thread a interesting read. I have wondered about how the lead was being taken out of society as hazardous and unhealthy. Sure lead is not the best for living things and the environment.
But then neither is alcohol, tobacco, most of the processed food and other everyday consumer items. But it's all fine as long as a good dollar can be made on it. And that dollar is just a lie, fiction, illusion and so on.
The money is a illusion as is the "fast food" facts. The "government" has been saying for many years that food like McDonalds and other such venues was not healthy. There is a movie called Supersize Me" where a guy eats nothing but McDonalds food for a month. He is in great shape when he started and had doctors checking him out over the month. They found that a diet of ONLY McDonalds food stuffs was changing his body chemistry and effecting some of his organs.
I bring the fast food thing up as it shows that the "powers that be" don't really care about what poisons the sheeple are exposed to. Unless it can fit in with the bigger plan for "mankind".
When I saw years back that electric cook stoves were on the hazardous list for landfills I wondered what was hazardous about them. After a little research I found that it was the copper in them.
I bring this up as it's just another way for the "powers that be" to control the market and the sheeple.
Over the years I have heard and seen some weird "duck and cover" type programing.
The sheeple choose to believe what they are told that keeps the MA$$E$ in order like a sheep to the slaughter.
https://idyllopuspress.com/meanwhile...locksphinx.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk4Y...ZSAoMTk2MCk%3D
Well ... here it is ... about six years after the original post. I can't speak to what's going on in every state but i can speak to how things are done here in Maine. We have a pretty well developed system for managing CRT's that's been in operation for years now. I work with the CRT's, flatscreens, and computers on a frequent basis as part of my regular day job running our municipal transfer station.
I suppose there are some things to know about Federal and State regulations coming from the EPA. These things are classed as universal waste and get special handling. The regs vary some from state to state but this link gives you a general idea of the things that probably shouldn't go into a landfill.
https://www.acgov.org/forms/aceh/DTS...ersalWaste.pdf
Anyhow ... all the transfer stations in this state are licensed by the State of Maine Department of Environmental Protection. We operate under their rules. State inspectors come through every so often to monitor compliance. You have to mind your P's & Q's with those guys. They can level hefty fines or even shut you down for violations.
So ... the way it works is that every transfer station has a dropoff building for e-waste. You call the company that comes in and picks up all the TV's & computers when the building fills up. They transport it to their facility where the CRT's are dismantled. All the different parts n pieces are loaded into palletized gaylords and shipped off to the appropriate recycling companies.
We've got a load going out tomorrow in fact.
No system is perfect but very few waste items containing lead, mercury, or a few of the other toxic nasties are going to the landfills here.
This would give you a general idea of how CRT's and other electronics are broken down for recycling. It's a pretty good video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7MuMFWfQTg
I know here locally the local municipality changed their policy to putting CRT TV's in with the regular household trash....it's posted on their website and they told me the landfills are lined to prevent leeching....take it for what you will but if this is what policy here dictates that is where they go
Things change this way and that way and back again over time. All in what makes the rich and powerful all the richer and more powerful.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=...AAAAAdAAAAABAD
Directing the waste stream one way or another gets complicated Mike. If that's their policy then just go with it. Sometimes there are no good options available. You just gotta choose the least worst thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
< Sigh > My generation is paying for the sins of our fathers here. My dad's generation just didn't know any better back in the 1960's & 1970's. It used to be that every town had a town dump here. The fathers would pick out the most worthless piece of land where things didn't grow well and that's where they dumped the trash. Fast forward sixty years and we learned that those worthless pieces of land were the very best recharge areas for our underground aquifer. Anything and everything went into the old dump. All that poison leachate found it's way into our well water.
We closed our old time landfills about 35 or 40 years ago. As it turned out ... the damage was already done though. Ours is a small community where everybody knows everybody. I started to notice a cancer plume within a one mile radius of the old landfills over the years. The people getting sick were people i had known for years. Some were even family members. The local medical center was within the one mile radius. I casually mentioned that there might be something going on and to watch for it. They didn't see it at first ... but they eventually figured it out when one of their own doctors died of cancer in her early 40's. It took her fast.There was no stopping it even with the best of medical care.
Nowadays ... all of our trash gets compacted at the transfer station and trucked out of the area. I ship out roughly 24 - 30 tons a week depending upon how busy it is. It's currently going to a state owned engineered landfill about 70 miles away. It's an expensive proposition. Higher trucking and disposal costs blew our operating budget this year.
Anyhow ... long sad story. The main point is that leachate at the state owned lined landfill is a problem too. There's a drainage system and all of the liquids that run off have to be collected and trucked to a sewage treatment plant.
It's not a perfect world. Sometimes the waste solutions we have aren't all that great so you do the best you can with what you've got. It is however, a good idea to be a little careful about what you're putting into the landfill because it's apt to come right back at you in some other way.
It's not very often that people from all over the world agree on anything. The thing is that most people involved in waste management and the environmental sciences have reached consensus that things containing lead and mercury really should be handled separately from the general waste stream. It's not hard to do. Just set em' aside and ship them off to someone who is set up to process them. Recycling is not a bad thing.
Edited to add: Not being all high and mighty here. Maine is way out there on the bleeding edge of the environmental movement. Sometimes the people calling the shots and making the rules about how things are done here take it to extremes. Just cause we do things a certain way doesn't mean that someone in another state should do things that way.
Direct from Knox County Website
televisions must be thrown in the trash containers because they are cost prohibitive to recycle. they must be placed into the blue trash containers because they are sent to class i landfills. users should use caution and bring help if needed for loading and unloading as centers are self-service
https://www.knoxcounty.org/solid_was...onic_waste.php
Honestly don't get to many CRT these days and have gotten rid of what I did have over the last year or so........CRT recycling was never really profitable and now municipalities are just biting the bullet and throwing away what remains of these ancient artifacts
You have to remember I am in good ole Tennessee......I think the local gov't is probably just happy that stuff is not dumped on the side of the road and in ravines........I'm all for recycling as I have been doing it for approx 15 years now for a living......I follow local policy and try to make the best decision on how to dispose of items........Everything I get is recycled down to the nuts and bolts but there is no market here for plastic or glass so unfortunately that goes in a landfill.......I am upfront with anybody that wants to know the process and that I follow all local guidelines
Honestly Mike .... i'm not criticizing the way you guys do things. We're a Democrat controlled state here. Personally ... i think we tend to go overboard with all of the government rules and regulations sometimes. Our ways must seem pretty outlandish to someone from a conservative state. Seems outlandish to me sometimes too.
The main reason i went into all that groundwater and cancer stuff was just to say that there are reasons for why we do things the way we do. Everything in nature is interconnected here. The land, the water, the air. You can't affect one thing without affecting the whole. Sometimes your environmental choices come back to bite you in ways that you never could have imagined.
You and me ... we recycle for a profit. I'll be darned if i can get that through people's heads here. I locked horns with the DEP inspectors over our recycling programs the last time they came through to tour our Transfer Station. I could tell they weren't quite satisfied with the way we do things. I get a lot of that snotty attitude from our summer people too. Our place doesn't quite measure up to the way they recycle in the city back home.
I make no bones about it. I tell em' straight up that it costs us 4 times more per ton to recycle cardboard and plastics than it does to send it off to the landfill. >:)
They don't like that when i call em' on their bull$hit.
I can see recycling a poisonous thing just to keep it out of the environment though. That doesn't have to be profitable. We will come up with the money to pay for that one way or another.
So you say the CRT glass is being "recycled"....where is the smelter actually doing this....have you seen the end of life process all the way to the end....the only thing I've seen is glass and plastic piled in warehouses with no economical way to process....would love to know because as far as I know noone is smelting the glass for the lead
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wvl...outputType=amp
This was a warehouse full of ewaste plastic
I honestly don't know Mike. It's a three foot world at the Transfer Station. I do the best i can to keep everything within the gates of the place running like a well oiled machine firing on all cylinders. What happens outside the gates is beyond my control. I just have to trust that the contractors providing service to us are running their operations the way they're supposed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
If you trust yourself ... you can trust others.
Of course ...people mess up all the time and break the trust. We're only human. It's expected. For all i know ... they might be dumping those CRT's in the ocean. Probably not though. The punishments for not doing things the way you're supposed to can be pretty severe.
Afterthought: I suppose the responsibility for end to end oversight would fall on the shoulders of the Maine DEP. They're the ones who license all the different ones up and down the e-waste supply chain here. It's their ewaste program. It's their rules & regulations. Enforcement would be up to them.
For whatever it's worth ... i tend to view the DEP inspectors as being law enforcement officers when they come through the transfer station. They're generally pretty good to get along with but i'm always mindful they carry quite a bit of authority.
I doubt they are dumping in ocean but a certain amount still is dumped in ocean every year.....more than likely they are just filling a warehouse somewhere
It would be okay if they were in a warehouse. It was legal to store them indefinitely. The sense that i get is that the EPA got wise to that loophole though. Not sure ... but i think there's a one year time limit now. We do a bunch of toxic things besides bubbleback and flat screen tv's. We accept NiCad & Lithium ion batteries. Those get boxed up and sent out to a recycler via FedEx. We've got Freon appliances like fridges,freezers, ac's & dehumidifiers. A special outfit comes in from out of state. They pump out the Freon and the oil out of the sealed units. We do all kinds of fluorescent bulbs. They get boxed and shipped out via FedEx.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
I've noticed that you have to list a start accumulating date and a finished accumulating date. There's a paper trail for every kind of thing. We also have to file yearly reports with the state DEP.
I'm glad that my boss back at the town office has to deal with all of the paperwork. That's a good job for him ! ;)