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Just found out today in my town now if you recycle or remove scrap metal without a license its a 125 dollar fine.The license cost 100 dollars a year.And starting in july they intend to get 3% tax on anything you sell at the scrap yard.The bill has not passed yet but appears it will. This bill is something the state is doing.We don't make much now.
that would kind of suck I guess depending really what the bill details, but as a scrapper in cold iowa winters and wishing I could move to a warm state but sad because my family is here and don't want to be far, if this is a fixed this I would not mind so much as long as yards were diligent about checking because not all florida is warm but I could scrap so much more there and so many more cities 24/7 no frostbite. plus your closer to major shipping lines so yards would only be needed for light tin and such because you could ship out to cash in on the best prices
Hay do you have the specifics, the bill number ect. this is not a matter to be taken lightlyQuote:
Originally Posted by justdon
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812.0141 makes it a crime to pick up scrap on the curb when the city has a collection service basically curb co will be a crime
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2016/1387
It's on the floor for discussion TODAY
The county I live in already has a law on the books that makes it illegal to remove anything placed between the sidewalk and curb for trash pick up.Quote:
Originally Posted by HT1
I have tried to look it up but cannot find it They talked about that last year.But the new city ordinance will screw a lot of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by HT1
Pm Me if you want to keep it private, but what city and county are we talking about,
because FS 538.28 Preempts the city and county from making Laws governing the sale of regulated metals, which is defined as anything but Steel and aluminum cans
as to a tax, well there are enough tax laws in place already, technically if you sell anything but your own personal scrap you should be paying income tax on it
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the fine will keep a lot of the other scrappers away. get the license because that way there will be less competition for the scrap 100.00 may hurt but will pay out over the year
Someone on Saturday got fined for scraping.And they started to tow her truck.I saw her at the scrap yard today and she was the one that told everybody to check the city website.And I found out the license would probably be 25 to 50 dollars.
And HT1 thank you for the info.By what you are saying maybe the 3% tax won't take place.Because I hear it got bogged down.My friends daughter works in tallahase and usualy gves us info on things.
So the city wants to charge you a license fee to remove scrap metal left out for "Them" to remove, this way they make out even better! Less stuff to pick up and recycle for them and a new revenue stream as you pay the fee and pick up the stuff for them...
Politicians at work again.
There is a town thats 2 towns south of me has a law that you must pay to have a scrap license. There is alot of crackheads over there so i understand why they enforce it. Another town just over the border in Indiana i heard you cant even garbage pick anything from the curb.
I have tore this up, and I cannot find the ordinance allowing them to make you pay for a permit to collect scrap, BUT your (the OP's)city ordinances are very clear you simply cannot go around picking up scrap, as soon as it is placed at the designated collection point (which is probably being interpreted as curbside) it is the property of the cities licensed collector ( Waste Pro i believe) that is probably what the woman you mentioned above was being sighted with. see quoted below
"Sec. 50-2. - Purpose and intent.
(1)
The purpose and intent of this section is to ensure that all solid waste generated and accumulated within the incorporated city limits or solid waste service area shall be collected, removed, transported and disposed of to a city-designated solid waste disposal and/or recycling area by an authorized and/or licensed solid waste collector, except as otherwise provided in this section, to eliminate illegal dumping, and to promote the general health, safety and welfare of the public.
(2)
It is the intent of the city that collection and transporting of solid waste is to be done only by those authorized by the city.
(Ord. No. 19-2008, § 2, 7-7-2008)"
violation of this is: is a $500 fine and up to 60 days in jail
Sec. 1-15. - General penalty; continuing violations.
(a)
Whenever in this Code any act is prohibited or is made or declared to be unlawful or an offense, or whenever in this Code the doing of any act is required or the failure to do any act is declared to be unlawful or an offense, where no specific penalty is provided therefor, the violation of any such provision of this Code shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $500.00 or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 60 days, or by both such fine and imprisonment in the discretion of the court. Each day any violation of any provision of this Code shall continue shall constitute a separate offense.
(b)
In addition to the penalties provided in subsection (a) of this section, any condition caused or permitted to exist in violation of any of the provisions of this Code shall be deemed a public nuisance and may be, by the city, abated as provided by law, and each day that such condition continues shall be regarded as a new and separate offense.
State Law reference— Fines and forfeitures in county court payable to municipality, F.S. § 34.191; municipal ordinance violations, F.S. § 162.22; punishment for misdemeanors, F.S. §§ 775.082, 775.083.
Now besides what we have already said even if the city lets you get a Permit to collect scrap, at that point you have made yourself a commercial business so you need insurance, DOT numbers on your truck, you will have to get a business license. so you might as well buy a franchise with 1800 got junk or college hunks hauling junk.
Brother all I can say is that Curb co in your town is a crime and there is not a **** thing you can do about it other then hope the town becomes a trashed mess and the city changes their mind... I would recommend contacting the Florida Recyclers Association but I do not think they will be on your side as the ordinance you are up against is pretty common nationwide, just seldom enforced.
Sorry
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Moderator this thread would be better in the legal section
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Thanks HT1.I guess that means it has been law but now they are realy starting to enforce it and crack down on people.Some people do make a mess.But waste pro lets a lot of things sit for weeks at a time.When I first started I ask a cop if it was ok and he said yes.But now I see our law enforcement is handled by the sheriffs dept and i guess they don't know the laws for every city in the county.
100.00 is nothing, we pay 2000.00 per year just to be able to recycle electronics.
Maybe I need to add to the post above, I could not find a mechanism for the city to even permit collectors, they undoubtedly chose the current collection company by competitive bid. that company won and has the exclusive right(& responsibility) to collect all recyclables. the law I quoted was from 2008 so it is not new only enforcement is new.
I will speculate just a little, perhaps your city is soon or recently going to 95 Gallon automated collection bins, to make this system work (financially) the city needs to gather as much recyclables as possible, especially the higher value scrap metal and UBC's, the designated contractor probably pointed this out at a council meeting so the Mayor made a call to the Sheriff asking him to beef up enforcement.
Now I will go on a tangentPeople MUST involve themselves in local government!!! I sit through A lot of boring council meetings, so I do not get blind sided by issues like this. at the very least you need to read the agendas of the upcoming meetings , and have to be at any meeting that goes over your area of concern, in this case "solid waste"
What can you personally do about this, change your work model, and go to businesses, and offer to haul their scrap and pallets, process the scrap, and repair the pallets for sale, I did not say collect the scrap stacked up behind businesses without permission, that is at least trespassing, and potentially a theft conviction, and with all the video cameras out there the odds of you going to the pokey is 100%
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You opened my eyes HT1.And I have gone to a few city council meetings and its more exciting to watch grass grow.like it or not I will have to read the city laws and attend meetings.You realy do things the right way instead of thinking everything is ok.Hey iam still learning.Can't thank you enough.
Was just about to say that maybe they're enforcing it now because prices are so low and they have to make up the revenue somehow...Quote:
Originally Posted by hobo finds
along with your local issue, everyone in FL should note that f.s 812.0141 will specifically make stealing recyclables a crime , which means going into a dumpster with a recycle symbol and removing anything will be a criminal act in FL,
additionally picking up anything laid out on the curb on a designated recycle day will be a crime. it specifically lists pallets, so the pallet rebuilders be real careful what you do...
BTW if this passes it will take effect 1 jul 16
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Any of you interested in following the bill mentioned above go to the link below. in the upper right corner there is an option to track this bill, click it and register and you will receive updates by email.
I warn you if you oppose this bill, in part or in whole you need to contact your representative and make your concerns known, otherwise it will pass.
if you read the entire bill there is some very good stuff in it, the waiver for trash and recycle trucks weight up to three days after it rains is a real game changer here in FLorida where trucks may have to sit parked or run light to avoid tickets during and after rain
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2016/1387
House Bill 1387 (2016) - The Florida Senate
FYI the billed died in committee I have mixed feelings
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Thank you for the info HT1.
yeah, these laws are getting crazy, Even crackheads should be able to scrap TRASH/Garbage. rather have a crackhead doing some work to get money than just a plain ole thief crackhead.