looks like beef prices are coming down...

I don't invest in cattle futures but have shaken my head a few times at the price of beef in the store and have heard relatives and friends who raise cattle lament at the cost of buying replacement heifers/cows or buying a few feeder calves in the recent past. But on a recent trip to my country trapping supply guy he mentioned that cattle futures had dropped the limit 3 days in a row. And then my friend at work who has a few feeder calves at his place (his dad has a pretty good sized herd which my friend helps manage when needed) was bumming because he had bought a few of these calves from people in the spring when prices were up and with the recent drops would probably lose money on a couple of them.

Anyway, I checked out some stories today and found this one. This guy seems a bit full of himself but there's a lot of data pointing at cheaper beef in the next year or so and maybe an era of cheap beef for a while then after. Of course prices at the store never drop as fast nor as hard when compared to the price that the cattle folks raising the animals get at the sale barn...

Forbes Welcome

Maybe I can have steak for dinner more often!

Exellent, McDonalds might drop the price of a ..... oh thats never going to happen.

He did say beef not..."Beef infused with multitudes of other icky things that will make you sick if you think about it." :)

Hey it's only 2.99lb here! I was stoked. So much so I made tacos.

Sirscrapalot - Make bbq not war.

My stomach is already aching from the thought of McDonalds.

Sadly, ground beef is one of those items that you pay whatever you have to. I only have so many ideas for chicken, and that's probably only half of the KFC menu alone!

We just butchered our last steer. 723 lbs of meat. I bought this one two years ago when it was three months old for $150. We inquired about another one four months ago and the farm said they wouldn't sell to us for awhile because they were getting $599 for day olds..... That is frigging crazy! Now the prices are better, so I agree that prices are coming down, but still not attractive enough for us yet. Guess the two pigs will have to do for now. Hoping for a couple of goats or sheep in a couple months, just to keep the meat flowing. If you have the space to do it this way I highly recommend it! It was hard financially the first time we did it but because we had stocked up on meat it was easier the next time. I challenge anyone to go to the store and buy 700 lbs of beef for under $500.

Didn't have my glasses on when I read the title. Thought it said beer!

I only eat beef once a month...
Fish is my flesh of choice.

Wish beer prices would drop....

My step son has a herd of 55 cow-calf pairs. Yeah, he's really balling about the markets. What a baby...prices were so good for so long, now they are down and he's crying like a... Oh wait, so am I ... Never mind.

I'm sooooo old I remember when a day old calf was $15 or less. Mike

We raise hogs on the farm. One of the differences is that cattle are much less efficient than pigs. A pig will have less waste (Throw away) than a cow will. Pork is my preferred meat, but raising them is interesting.

A pig is basically a bowling ball with legs. Dumb, and they try to destroy everything. But, the bacon sure tastes good! ;)

miked - .......and candy bars were a 5 cents or was it 3 cents?

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miked - .......and candy bars were a 5 cents or was it 3 cents?

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Soda's or pop as we called them were a nickel from the machine. McDonalds hamburgers were $0.15 ea., perhaps that's why day old calves were so low in price. Mike

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We raise hogs on the farm. One of the differences is that cattle are much less efficient than pigs. A pig will have less waste (Throw away) than a cow will. Pork is my preferred meat, but raising them is interesting.

A pig is basically a bowling ball with legs. Dumb, and they try to destroy everything. But, the bacon sure tastes good! ;)

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I have found I'd rather raise pigs as well. Cows are dumber I think. They will spread a bale of hay around then defecate or urinate on it and then it's ruined, they won't touch it. Pigs have one area they relieve themselves and don't waste any food at all. You're right, very efficient animals that grow rapidly and more bang for your buck!

I remember when Glen Bell started the first Taco Bell restaurant (yes there is a Mr. Bell), everything on the menu was $0.25. With a pocketful of change, you could make a lot of "Atomic Piles", just a couple hours after those meals!

Just because McDonald's was mentioned, I'll give a little fast-food "gastronomy history". The first Taco Bell's were called "Taco Tia", the first one was opened in 1954 in San Bernardino, Ca. The first Taco Bell was opened in 1962 in Downey, Ca., just down the street from one of the first McDonald's (is the oldest McDonald's that is still open). Glen Bell and the McDonald brothers enjoyed a friendly rivalry, while each company pioneered their own version of fast food.The actual "first" McDonald's was opened in San Bernardino (now a fast-food museum), The first McDonald's and the first Taco Bell (Taco Tia) were within walking distance from one another. As a kid we lived just down the street from both of them, making San Bernardino, CA. the "Ground Zero" of fast-food, now I'll go get a Alka Seltzer.

Rog - Sorry for hijacking your "Where's the Beef" thread.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...yMcdonalds.jpg The oldest operating McDonald's on Lakewood and Florence in Downey, California, was the chain's third restaurant and the second to be built with the Golden Arches.

No problem bigburt, found it interesting. I remember when the Big Mac came out. I think we walked over to the McD's that about a mile away (I think our city only had 2, maybe 3 stores then). The place was still white with no brick and the big golden arches. I thought the Big Mac was so cool. I don't think Burger King or any Taco fast food was here yet. We were in the very young childhood of chain fast food although local drive-throughs existed.

Matador- You all raise hogs as your main livestock? That has to be a fairly rare farm/ranch in Wyoming.

Hypoman- Deer, and I guess antelope as well, will do the same thing in our state, jump up on round bale stacks or linear lines (no one wraps bound bales here with plastic like I've seen done out East), crap and pee on them and then the cattle won't eat the hay. The GF&P recommends "hay yard fencing" tactics and people can get put on deer "depredation" lists during the winter where people can shoot non-anterless coming into hay yards. Land owners can blast deer and antelope messing their hay supplies as well but can't use the animals in any way except to pull them off so they don't rot on the hay piles. The state agency likes the better PR of someone getting to use the meat...

We're a pretty small farm. But, we raise hogs as our only livestock (Other than a bunch of cats and 5 chickens). In our area, there are two hog farmers left, and we're the larger one. It's worked out to be a pretty good niche for us. It's a great way for us to use the grain at the ends of fields that isn't quite as nice. Since it can't be resold for much, it's basically free feed. We're just converting it into bacon! ;)

https://www.nhlottery.com/getattachm...art-Bacon.aspx

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Sirscrapalot - Card Carrying Member of the bacon of the month club. (Not really but still...)

http://www.funnymemes.com/wp-content...bacon-seed.jpg

I posted the picture of one of the first McDonald's as the place is a Southern California landmark, the fact that this restaurant survived is a testament to the McDonald brothers as they knew it was a place that should stay as is. They also wanted it to be a reminder to Ray Kroc, the man that the brothers sold one of the first franchises to. Mr Kroc would later take control of the company, making the McDonald brothers very wealthy, but nothing compared to what they should have made. When they sold to Mr. Kroc, there was two contracts, a written one and a verbal one, Mr. Kroc only honored the written one and not the "Gentleman's Agreement", that was more important to the brothers. They never allowed the corporation to make the image makeover to this place, a "little" reminder about integrity and honesty.

The building and it's "golden arches" are nice and historic, what is most significant to native Southern Cal. is the neon "Speedee sign" on the corner and can be seen for some distance at night. Way before "Ronald McDonald" as a corporate mascot, there was Speedee the hamburger mascot. He represented and stood for the "Speedee Service System" the innovation concept that the brothers invented and developed, Speedee put the "FAST" in fast-food. The McDonald brothers introduced Speedee and the Speedee Service System in 1948 way before Ronald McDonald the mass marketing system.

Rog - I thought of Taco Bell and McDonald's and your thread about lower beef prices as there is a connection or two. At the core to both companies was one key ingredient, BEEF or hamburger. The way they sold hamburger was the common denominator to both companies success. These companies made history and affected most of us in some way, then, now and for years to come. Probably influenced beef prices just a little too!

Interesting note about Glen Bell, one of his favorite interest was agriculture. A big supporter to 4-H clubs and in 1993 he opened "Bell Gardens" 115 acre working garden to teach students about growing the food we eat. Bell Gardens is located in Valley Center, Ca., a great place to visit if your in the San Diego area. A working garden, with a large produce and fruit selection, you can learn to grow,just about anything that can grow in some good dirt. They sell what they grow to sustain the garden, I always like to buy what ever is in season when I'm down there. There is also garden tours, hay rides, antique tractor displays and a very large "miniature railroad" that you can ride on. All free and one of Mr. Bells way to "gave back" to the community. He started this garden for students and all of us to remember, food just isn't at a fast-food place and it all starts with "DIRT".

Farmers are what makes the world turn. Without us, you'd all be dead!

I don't think I've ever eaten at a Taco Bell. Most of them became Taco Johns restaurants (The company is based in Cheyenne, so that's to be expected). But, it's amazing to note the contrast between the images that the founders wanted, and what became of those companies....

But, it's amazing to note the contrast between the images that the founders wanted, and what became of those companies....

Full article at Scrap Metal Forum: http://www.scrapmetalforum.com/off-t...#ixzz3rYC5Khyq

This could apply to many businesses. Walmart is a perfect example. Anyhooo..

I <3 farmers! Without them...I get no bacon, corn or beef!


Hug a farmer today...well maybe from a distance. Either way I'm sure they'd be thankful!

Sirscrapalot - Having a cold one or ten for farmers everywhere, just doing my part.

Learned this morning Bell Gardens is no longer open.

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Hypoman- Deer, and I guess antelope as well, will do the same thing in our state, jump up on round bale stacks or linear lines (no one wraps bound bales here with plastic like I've seen done out East), crap and pee on them and then the cattle won't eat the hay. The GF&P recommends "hay yard fencing" tactics and people can get put on deer "depredation" lists during the winter where people can shoot non-anterless coming into hay yards. Land owners can blast deer and antelope messing their hay supplies as well but can't use the animals in any way except to pull them off so they don't rot on the hay piles. The state agency likes the better PR of someone getting to use the meat...

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That's nuts. I can't imagine the deer around here even bothering with hay. They have too many other options. That'd be a sight to see a deer on a haystack lol, thanks for that imagery. Interesting fact, cows WILL eat hay where horses have defecated....not the feces itself but around it. Weird...

So if these farmers on that list shoot that deer or antelope, they aren't "supposed" to eat it? That doesn't make any sense at all, huge waste.

No, the list is for hunters will want meat and want to help out thinning out the Problem" deer. But some landowners don't want to deal with hunters even if they are helping out a problem for the landowner. So, landowners either don't have to wait on hunters or don't have to deal with hunters at all and can blaze away. But they can't use the animals. Two different solutions to the problem.

Most SD landowners are fairly sociable people and the number who wouldn't let hunters in to help diminish the problem are probably few. But I'm sure that there are those who rather shoot now and think about letting in others later. A sad little story about wildlife conservation in South Dakota. We used to have what was then thought as a sub-species of the Rocky Mountain sheep in the western part of the state, like around the Badlands and other rougher ground. It was called the Audubon sheep although modern evidence probably points to it just being a Rocky Mountain sheep that lived in the rougher parts of the short-grass prairie. Anyway, I've heard stories, although I haven't seen any real evidence, like old newspaper articles on microfilm/fiche, that West River South Dakotas had a contest to see who could kill the last Audubon sheep in the early 1900s. Whether its true or not, bighorn sheep disappeared in the Badlands and the Black Hills until introduced several decades later. The population is still low in both areas.

Hypo...when they finally fight back, don't go like this guy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNGGbozilko

Human...the other white meat - some deer
http://media.katu.com/images/061020_deer4.jpg

free range deer feed!
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And this is why Metal is no long allowed to visit any petting zoos...

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:)

Sirscrapalot - Being beat by a deer...to funny.

Put me in Coach. I'll punch it right the face!

I figured that was your hunting method Hypo..

Hobo says "I see a deer just over there! Get the rifle!"

Hypo says " Nah...let me show you how it's done right Hobo."

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Everyone is happy but the deer. On the brightside..it tasted great.

*All names were changed to protect the hunting party..except for hobo an Hypo.

Sirscrapalot - Where's the beef?! - That little old lady from the 80s Wendy's commercials.

Just give me an old Chrysler and I'll show y'all how to do it! ;)

Where we live, I seriously think that there are more deer killed as roadkill than there are killed by hunters.

I don't want my vision ruined of Hypo straight going Hulk on a deer.

Curse you Matador, now I need to find a meme involving deer hunting, a caddy an rednecks. /sigh

Sirscrapalot - Wanting some venison.

edited for bonus content: I found images of Hypo's time working security at a petting zoo!

http://joshreads.com/images/10/10/i101022marktrail.jpg

:)

PS - Hypo is awesome.

Will a Lincoln work?

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matador: "Sound the horns! It's time for the hunt!"

Lol! That's too funny Sir.

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We're a pretty small farm. But, we raise hogs as our only livestock (Other than a bunch of cats and 5 chickens). In our area, there are two hog farmers left, and we're the larger one. It's worked out to be a pretty good niche for us. It's a great way for us to use the grain at the ends of fields that isn't quite as nice. Since it can't be resold for much, it's basically free feed. We're just converting it into bacon! ;)

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On my way to your house now, I NEED BACON!!!!!!!!!!!!:))

A redneck "with means" way of hunting deer, mixed "calibers"...

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He did say beef not..."Beef infused with multitudes of other icky things that will make you sick if you think about it." :)

Hey it's only 2.99lb here! I was stoked. So much so I made tacos.

Sirscrapalot - Make bbq not war.

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mmm.. tacos...

First Taco Bell in Downey moving to company’s headquarters in Irvine


I like to put out information as accurately as I can, so as I write this, the first Taco Bell restaurant is being moved. I didn't realize just how small this building was, (my garage is bigger), the building is only 20' x 20'.

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This June 2015 photo provided by Taco Bell shows the world’s first Taco Bell restaurant, background, in Downey, Calif., as a photo of the restaurant taken in the 1970s is displayed, foreground. On Wednesday, Nov. 18, 2015, Taco Bell announced plans to raise and rehabilitate the restaurant from its 53-year-old foundation in Downey and relocate it to the Taco Bell headquarters in Irvine, Calif., saving it from impending demolition.

“This is arguably the most important restaurant in our company’s history,” Taco Bell Corp. CEO Brian Niccol said. “To think a business like ours that spans 6,000 restaurants around the globe started with a walk-up window no bigger than a two-car garage is truly inspirational. When we heard about the chance of it being demolished, we had to step in. We owe that to our fans, we owe that to (company founder) Glen Bell.”

So don't go to Downey, Ca. looking for it, sometime tomorrow it well have a new location. Being moved to Taco Bell headquarters in Irvine, Ca.

Will lower beef prices lower the price of a Big Mac or a taco?
Maybe, maybe not. McDonald's is the largest buyer of beef in the United States, last year buying about 800 million pounds. That only accounts for 3% of beef consumed in this country, some of us are eating a lot of beef! Last year (2014) McDonald's announced they will start moving towards purchasing "only sustainable beef". Starting in 2016 purchasing some amount (yet to be determined) of sustainable beef. The problem? What is sustainable beef? With no accurate definition of what is and what isn't sustainable beef, this switch to sustainable beef may take awhile.

So why announce your going start buying it next year?
Posturing to be the "MOST" politically correct is my guess. I will also guess that when they, the stakeholders that will define "sustainable beef" (won't be ordinary consumers like us), but beef shot callers like Walmart, Costco, McDonald's, Cargill, Tyson Foods, Golden State Foods, Rainforest Alliance, World Wildlife Foundation, National Cattlemen's Beef Association, to name just a few. Raising cattle, processing beef, selling beef and eating it, will never be the same again. Just two of the stated goals, is the welfare of cattle throughout their lives (how about consumers lives?). Also optimize cattle's impact within ecosystems and nutrient cycles (very lofty goals).

I think lower beef prices will be temporary and very short lived. Say good-by to the $1 fast food menu, hello to $6.00+ a pound ground beef and real "rare" steaks.

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This hamburger is brought to you by:Global Roundtable for Sustainable Beef (GRSB).

Can you say "Where's the beef"?

Good thing I make better burgers at home.

I don't worry about fast food joints. I cook better. ;)

Sirscrapalot - Mooooooo! - A future hamburger.