New laws in effect at my yard Monday are going to be a PAIN in the buttinski!

Its bad enough the bad weather and low prices have customers down but Monday is going to be horrible.

We now have to scan a persons license before we can even deal with their scrap to make sure they aren't on a convicted felon ''do not buy'' list. Then we can process the scrap. Then we have to scan the license in again when typing in the list of scrap we bought. I think we have to also take photo's of some certain types of scrap.

this means when someone automatically goes on the scale we have to stop what we are doing and go tell them whats what. It might not be too bad while we are slow but when we are busy its going to be a night mare. I suggested putting a sign in front of the scales so people can see whats going on but who knows if the suggestion will be taken to heart.

Well, you can blame this on the people who steal scrap metal. At my yard you need to fill out a slip, fingerprint yourself, vehicle description, plate #, tons of other info. Maybe this will make people think twice before stealing scrap metal.

Sign of the times NA. Look at it this way, anything that helps protect the scrap yard means job security for you. The last thing you want happening is having you yard get closed down for receiving stolen property.

I know that here in Hawaii they make a copy of your photo ID and you must sign for the scrap you brought before you are paid (they do it at the pay window as opposed to the scale). For copper it's an even bigger pain the butt; sellers need a notarized copper form claiming it is not stolen, buyers need a picture with ALL of the copper scrap, the seller, and the vehicle used to haul it with the license plate visible.

^^Thats another thing, we have to write down plate numbers now as well. I know I'm gonna forget that. have to train the brain to remember lol.

We already have a camera on my local yard's scale, I put my account number on the bug guard of the truck so I don't have to get out and have them run everything. Seems to be ok for now. I am having vinyl cut here in a week or so for the business name and truck number. I do have accounts with most of the yards I deal with regularly just because overall I hate waiting in lines and would rather receive a much larger check once every 30 days or so.

Does this new law affect account holders too?

Do you mean convicted felons who stole scrap or convicted felons in general...going to lose alot of business a fair shake of scrappers around here at least are felons...of one type or another. I don't have much issue with that, don't care what someone did in the past if they are trying to do good right now.

Anyways, here in WI, license plates, drivers license, already required for pay out, most yards take that info BEFORE you weigh out, but not all. I can't help but wonder when WI will get the bright idea to regulate even more...

Here they write down your plate # and ask for i.d. , think they write down your drivers license number as well . I don't mind as I have nothing to hide . But recently they said no printers unless you beat them to the point they no longer resemble a printer . Kind of curious of your yards policy on them . I never thought twice as they are the only thing that has any filler on them that I take in , and it's usually minimum after removing the ink carts and boards .

Like others said maybe this will help deter thieves , I like your idea for a sign .

I'm like the others.

They make copies of our ID's. Write down all Vehicle info(tag, make/model, etc), if you have copper they pay you for it with check, everything else they pay in cash. We have the fingerprint thing to at a couple of yards. All thanks to thieving jerks.

It seems a pain now, but with time you guys will get a system down. My yards don't take ID till you cash out. At the scale I can see it causing a huge cluster pluck.

Good luck an keep us updated!

Sirscrapalot - The world is not fair, and often fools, cowards, liars and the selfish hide in high places. - Bryant H. McGill

I guess I'm the odd one out. Ben Weitsman doesn't ask for any of that. They have a person stand by the scale so they can judge what you have then radio the info to inside. I hope they don't go that route, I can see how that'd ruin an experience.

Here in Cal. they need a photo I.D., vehicle plate number, your thumb print, take a picture of you and your scrap. There could be a hold on any payment unless you have a account or frequent seller. Been this way for awhile now and thieves still try to sell stolen scrap!

We have the ID thing here its been that way since I have been scrapping (3+ years). So to me its just part of the process it takes 5 sec. for them to process it we give it to the cash office attendant and they scan it in a little card reader. I guess it takes a pic of the card.

44-1642. Records of purchase; transaction limitations; age requirement for scrap metal seller; exception

A. Every scrap metal dealer shall keep on the business premises a book or other similar record legibly printed or written in ink, in the English language of each transaction involving the receipt of scrap metal. The record of each receipt of scrap metal shall include the following information:

1. The date, time and place of the transaction.

2. A photograph and an identifying description and weight of the specific scrap metal received.

3. The dollar amount of the transaction.

4. Except as otherwise provided in this paragraph, the seller's name, physical description including gender, height, weight, race and eye and hair color, physical address, date of birth and signature and a photocopy of a current driver license, nonoperating identification license issued pursuant to section 28-3165 or photo identification card issued by a tribal government or the United States military. The scrap metal dealer must validate the recorded information by using the seller's current driver license, nonoperating identification license issued pursuant to section 28-3165 or photo identification card issued by a tribal government or the United States military. This paragraph does not apply to a seller who is exclusively selling aluminum beverage containers.

5. The seller's transaction privilege tax number, if applicable.

6. The number and state of issuance of the license on the vehicle used to deliver the scrap metal.

7. A photograph, video record or digital record of the seller involved in the transaction.

8. A right index fingerprint of the seller.

B. The record and entries shall be retained in a book or similar record at the business premises for one year after making the final entry of any transaction and shall be retained either at the business premises or any other reasonably available location for an additional year. A scrap metal dealer's business premises, business records relating to scrap metal transactions, including a book or similar record prescribed by this section, and business inventory shall be open during regular business hours for reasonable inspection by a peace officer. Before an inspection shall take place a peace officer shall first identify himself and the purpose for the inspection to the scrap metal dealer, dealer's manager or other responsible person and comply with all reasonable and customary safety requirements of that scrap metal dealer for the business premises inspected. The scrap metal dealer may require the peace officer to sign an inspection log that includes the officer's name and serial or badge number and the time, the date and the purpose for the inspection.

C. A scrap metal dealer shall not provide payment for any scrap metal on site at the time of the scrap metal transaction. Payment shall be made by mailing a check or money order to a physical address provided by the seller through a current driver license or other identification prescribed in subsection A, paragraph 4 of this section. The check or money order shall be made payable to the business name for an industrial account. This subsection:

1. Except as provided in paragraphs 2, 3 and 4 of this subsection, only applies to industrial accounts, copper and aluminum wire with a diameter of at least three-eighths of an inch.

2. Except as provided in paragraph 3 or 4 of this subsection, applies to all scrap metal transactions of three hundred dollars or more.

3. Does not apply to industrial accounts if the industrial accounts annually preregister employees who are authorized sellers on behalf of the industrial accounts.

4. Applies to all transactions involving air conditioner cooling coils, including industrial accounts, except that for these transactions a scrap metal dealer may give a seller on site a check made payable to an industrial account.

D. A scrap metal dealer shall provide a receipt to the seller on site at the time of the scrap metal transaction, for every transaction, and shall include the following information:

1. The date, time and place of the transaction.

2. An identifying description and weight of the specific scrap metal received.

3. The dollar amount of the transaction.

E. A scrap metal seller may not conduct a series of transactions for one vehicle load of scrap metal to avoid the requirements of this section.

F. A scrap metal seller shall not participate in more than one cash transaction per day for scrap metal.

G. A scrap metal seller shall be at least sixteen years of age.

H. This section does not apply to transactions involving materials consisting of a metal product in its original manufactured form that is composed of no more than twenty per cent by weight of nonferrous metal.

armygreywolf, we do not have account holders. Someone that came in today said something about a card at another yard, is that what you mean? Also, the wording on the paper notice they hung up states ''convicted felon'' but I looked up the new laws and its only supposed to be those convicted of theft so this seems discriminatory to me. I'll have to double check this with the boss Monday, he's been on vacation.

It wouldn't be so bad if they could just scan at the end but they have to scan before we even do anything, thats where the hold ups are going to come in.

My yard buys from me and I'm 15. They pay for everything by check cash is not an option. If I owned a scrap yard I would for sure do check only, cash leaves the chance of being robbed.

My scrapyard has to have photo id, fingerprints and copy of business license showing that you are in the HVAC field, if you are scrapping HVAC units. I understand the scrapyard protecting themselves from receiving stolen metals, but it's irritating to know that I have to go through hoops and I have legitimate metal. There are many opportunities available to make money, and stealing is not one of them. Wish people around here realized that and the decent people wouldn't be punished.

Sadly the bad apples ruin it for the rest of us that do it legit an the right way.

Can't fix stupid. I've tried, it's like trying to hold river back with a wet noodle.

Sirscrapalot - We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. - Benjamin Franklin

I choose to avoid all that...Nothing to hide, but I prefer CASH.
The yard has cctv pointed at all drop off locations, not sure if this covers it?
I could drive an extra 45 miles go through the process and get a penny or two more per lb...Nahhh
NA If my yard were to change policy's it would be nice to know at the entrance, not the scale...but that's just me and the long rutted dirt road into the yard.
Like the superstar employee you are, great idea for making things run a little smoother:)

ID, plate # and cameras everywhere. Overhead camera automatically takes a pic of any non-ferrous item that goes on the scale...but on the plus side if there is a mistake in grading that I don't catch all I have to do is call my Buyer and he pulls up the pic and changes the grade if need be.

Yea, definitely want to check with the bossman before quoting or posting any law. If a place of business doesn't POST somewhere where the public can read it that they the business has the right to refuse service for any reason then there's a possibility of litigation.

I have to keep pictoral and inventory records now of incoming scrap, locals, pickups, packages...I am wondering more and more if I am breaking the law accepting out of state scrap without a copy of a government ID. No real clarity on that on our law books.

NA- What I meant was business to business scrappers, like wrecking yards, heating and cooling companies...people who might have an account of sorts with your yard. When someone comes in and says to put it on so and so's account, or an account number. To get an account I already provided identification, all the vehicles make/model plate numbers, names of the people who are allowed to bring scrap under my account and so on. It's held for 45 days I believe then paid. So every time I get an ACH deposit it's on scrap that's 2 to 3 months old already.


Either way, I am actually a little surprised the yard you work at isn't already doing this stuff. There are ways to make it faster, generally speaking encourage CB use, take advantage of our habits. Computer systems should record all the information and save it after the first time so if you have certain software, it'll get easier once the regulars fill out their information, then its just a matter of an ID swipe. I do hope it goes smoothly after you've had a chance to work out kinks this next week.

Ahhhh ok no, it does not have an effect those.

NA did they give you an unofficial law enforcement badge? Its seems the least you should get for enforcing the state law. This is not a serious question.

It does seem when you are in business you spend a lot of time and effort complying with laws enacted by those who do little or nothing productive. Mike

The way things are going, it won’t be long before Big Brother requires yards to send out 1099’s to everybody that brings in a bag of cans. :(

Well considering I need to keep a trail going...if it's more than two grand chances are I am going to issue a 1099.

Man, we're lucky, one reason I live living in a small populated state. We have to produce a driver's license but if you're a regular to the non-ferrous guy I go to, You just give your name and say I've been in recently. That's it. No license plates, no fingerprints, and no pixs of you and your scrap. That last one seems pretty silly. 1) if you have a pu and/or trailer loaded, the pix is only going to show what's towards the top of your load unless they're real anal-renative Nazis and make you lay every piece out on the ground for a group photo!! And so what is they have a pix of you and a bunch of Cu pipe? Some guy has Cu plumbing pipe ripped off of a job site I certainly feel sorry for the person and if they can catch the right thief, great, break a couple of knuckles and maybe they'll learn. But how is the state going to prove its the ripped of guy's Cu piping unless he has some sort of identifying marks or stickers on it?? Doesn't most Cu piping look about the same??? Seems over kill as most politicians and bureaucrats like to do...

I like the idea behind doing this in knowing who's who in case of theft, but there has to be a less intrusive way of doing it like taking an image of the vehicle before it gets onto the scale that way if the vehicle is used in a theft, they know about it. Heck pointing video cameras at most angles as the vehicle's getting onto the scale's another workable method.

Wow our yard is great here in Canada. Laws are way more relaxed. No ID required, all you do is give your name, I've even heard of some guys giving other peoples names so theres no record of them there. I'm sure they have pictures of our truck and everything, and they take down make and model in the computer when you get weighed

Hey Newattitude
I hope all goes well Monday. I believe most of your customers won't have a problem but there's always a few that will whine.
All of the yards here pay with checks, take finger prints and have cameras and most don't take walk-ups. No vehicle with tags and valid DL and they send you packing.

They id at my yard and every yard I go to. When it comes to some yards I wish they would check their scales more frequently. Some yards are crooked and you got to be on your toes dealing with them. Or don't deal with them. All this regulations for people try to make an honest buck, only to get burned at the scale sucks.

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The way things are going, it won’t be long before Big Brother requires yards to send out 1099’s to everybody that brings in a bags of cans. :(

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Cans are excluded from this.

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Wow our yard is great here in Canada. Laws are way more relaxed. No ID required, all you do is give your name, I've even heard of some guys giving other peoples names so theres no record of them there. I'm sure they have pictures of our truck and everything, and they take down make and model in the computer when you get weighed

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My favorites so far are
Jack Hammer
John Silver
Rory Scars
I give them my name but they spell it different every time lol

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My favorites so far are
Jack Hammer
John Silver
Rory Scars
I give them my name but they spell it different every time lol

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I heard one guy who was scrapping in Newfoundland, and all the scrap went in as Strawberry Jam and George Jello

Man, that's some crazy stuff! Very lucky here so far. Weitzman takes plate #s and you hand in your photo id for payment

Careful if you have a yard in Hawaii!

Police Raid Two Scrap Metal Dealers - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL

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I heard one guy who was scrapping in Newfoundland, and all the scrap went in as Strawberry Jam and George Jello

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lol!

Omg, had to ask one guy for his license 5 times the stupid computer doesn't ''save'' the info from screen to screen. Lucky he was nice, he just said hold onto it until its all done.

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Well considering I need to keep a trail going...if it's more than two grand chances are I am going to issue a 1099.

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I'm in favor of the 1099. Put everyone on a level playing field, at least in regards to reporting for tax purposes.

Well, the less I report as expenses the more the IRS wants to take from me...pretty simple formula, if I pay for scrap I need to report what I paid at the very least.

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Well, the less I report as expenses the more the IRS wants to take from me...pretty simple formula, if I pay for scrap I need to report what I paid at the very least.

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Agreed 100%.

I buy from a few local people. The larger company, I get them to sign a handwritten ticket. Haven't done this with the local scrappers yet, but will this year. I need to really review the 1099 information before I do this. I don't want to scare people away.

Maybe we can get a few of the larger E-waste guys (Mario and others) and some that own or have owned yards (1956?) to get their take on this.

I'm surprised Pennsy isn't more strict. I assume there are camera's at every yard I go to.

Yard 1 - Give full name, he writes it down, pulls out a HUGE wad of cash from pocket, pays up and I'm on my way.
Yard 2 - Requires Name and license plate number first time you go which you provide(guess it's on the honor system). They give you an ID number to reference thereafter. Next time, you just give them that number.
Yard 3 - Requires drivers license which they photo copy. You're then given a receipt with bar code on it which you scan into a nearby ATM, which then dispenses cash.

Seems like every yard around here does things a little different.

here in Tennessee they want ur DL # and tag # vehicle make and copy of DL . they yard i use always paid me cash when i took in scrap and for the cars . I was told some people had to wait for 3 days on their money . when i took vehicles in i always got the person at the pay out window to sign a bill of sale with all the info on the vehicle just for my own record . being in the car business i don't mind the yards wanting the info .

Here is Houston, you hand over you drivers license each time you get on the scale. They take a picture of it, enter your data, and send you on your way. On the way out, they issue you an ATM type card and you go to the machine to have your money dispensed. On non-ferrous, it is handled the same way but on a smaller scale. They are taking pictures of you, your scrap, and you vehicle as well as plate. None of the yards within the city limits will accept HVAC equipment unless you have an air conditioning license. Stupid rule as I am a commercial roofer and we are regularly removing obsolete units or previously vandalized ones. I did a warehouse job several years ago and there were 80 abandoned package units. We removed them all but scrapping them was a pain as it was a dozen loads and I had to drag my HVAC friend along and pay him for his time.