NEW NEW yORK E SCRAP LAW !

Most of you probably know but, in case you don't. By feb it will be illegal to trash electronics, as I understand it, all e waste will have to be recycled.

In "progressive" (uber liberal) states they love their laws to guide you on a "proper" path, soooo Escrappers I would advise you to get legal and legal property suitable for e scrap. My guess that a license, permit or many will be required before long. I love the idea of having to recycle e scrap but my guess would be , It wont be long until NY finds a way to monetize it. Can you say tax.

http://www.scrapmetalforum.com/legal...-what-hay.html

Not to sound mean Olddude but you missed the boat on NY's E-Scaping Law. It effects residents only and goes into effect January first. It penalizes residents $100 per instance for throwing out electronics in their garbage and recycle bin, which is perfect for E-Scrappers in NY like myself who rely on residents for their electronics. Anything to make NY green.

Yep! We are now registered with New York State DEC as a recycling drop off center and a recycling center. That means annual reports and record keeping of the ewaste stream. CRT disposal, following the letter to the law, is difficult. There is, however, an opportunity in there to start new businesses.. Look for the silver lining......

Yep, ever since that EPA lady sent me the paperwork registered centers fill out, I've gotten into the habbit of keeping track of everything and using their format so when we do go to register, it won't seem so foreign. Right now it's getting up and off the ground with appliance pickup apparently lol.

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Originally Posted by logansryche

Not to sound mean Olddude but you missed the boat on NY's E-Scaping Law. It effects residents only and goes into effect January first. It penalizes residents $100 per instance for throwing out electronics in their garbage and recycle bin, which is perfect for E-Scrappers in NY like myself who rely on residents for their electronics. Anything to make NY green.

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1. what in my post was wrong.

2. good luck and best wishes.

You haven't been able to throw electronics away here in California for years. I'm not sure how much that has changed things. Electronics are still thrown into the trash.

However, there is a tax payer funded program to dispose of CRT devices. This is paid by a tax from new television and monitor purchases. There are two levels to the program, collectors and recyclers. Recyclers can be collectors as well. There are two tiers of per pound payments. The collectors get paid by the recyclers, and I believe that is 0.18/lb right now. The recyclers are reimbursed by the state, I think that is 30 something cents per pound. It seems to be working decently well now. It was full of abuse in the beginning but California is diligent in checking on the source of the CRT devices (they have to be from California).

So, at least with CRT devices, there are places that pick up for free, accept for free, and even pay for them.

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Originally Posted by olddude

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1. what in my post was wrong.

2. good luck and best wishes.

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1. It was misinformation. In the post Ha! It's About Time, I posted some links that talked about NY's E-Waste law and that it's going into effect January first, not February. It also only effects residents not companies or organizations as companies here have their stuff together. The bill that became a law is aimed at keeping NY green and penalizing residents who throw out electronics in the garbage and recycle bins because here even stuff put in the recycle bin ends up in the landfill(at least here in Liverpool/Syracuse). It's counted, sorted, then tossed into the landfill.

2. Thank you

Sorry if any of that or my other post came off brash, it wasn't ment to.

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Originally Posted by ryanw

You haven't been able to throw electronics away here in California for years. I'm not sure how much that has changed things. Electronics are still thrown into the trash.
However, there is a tax payer funded program to dispose of CRT devices. This is paid by a tax from new television and monitor purchases. There are two levels to the program, collectors and recyclers. Recyclers can be collectors as well. There are two tiers of per pound payments. The collectors get paid by the recyclers, and I believe that is 0.18/lb right now. The recyclers are reimbursed by the state, I think that is 30 something cents per pound. It seems to be working decently well now. It was full of abuse in the beginning but California is diligent in checking on the source of the CRT devices (they have to be from California). So, at least with CRT devices, there are places that pick up for free, accept for free, and even pay for them.

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NY doesn't have a program like that to the best of my knowledge, but from what I'm told a disguised EPA agent will be onboard trash trucks to watch as its going into the trash and recycle trucks(here they have seperate trucks for both) and if they find anyone in violation, they'll make a note and issue a $100 fine to that address per instance. Adds up quick for repeat offenders.

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Originally Posted by ryanw

You haven't been able to throw electronics away here in California for years. I'm not sure how much that has changed things. Electronics are still thrown into the trash.

However, there is a tax payer funded program to dispose of CRT devices. This is paid by a tax from new television and monitor purchases. There are two levels to the program, collectors and recyclers. Recyclers can be collectors as well. There are two tiers of per pound payments. The collectors get paid by the recyclers, and I believe that is 0.18/lb right now. The recyclers are reimbursed by the state, I think that is 30 something cents per pound. It seems to be working decently well now. It was full of abuse in the beginning but California is diligent in checking on the source of the CRT devices (they have to be from California).

So, at least with CRT devices, there are places that pick up for free, accept for free, and even pay for them.

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Ryan,

I hope California is doing better keeping out of state CRTs out, than they have been in keeping cans and bottles out. Can't tell you how many stories I've read that say California redeems more than 100% of the cans and bottles they sell. Read stories of people from Nevada buying cans and bottles for a penny or two and driving them to California, making hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Ryan,

I hope California is doing better keeping out of state CRTs out, than they have been in keeping cans and bottles out. Can't tell you how many stories I've read that say California redeems more than 100% of the cans and bottles they sell. Read stories of people from Nevada buying cans and bottles for a penny or two and driving them to California, making hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Yeah, I have read a lot about out of state CRV fraud. There have been a lot of busts, but not equaling the traffic of them coming in. Many of the busts included recyclers licensed by the state colluding with collectors from out of state. The law as it is right now states that you can only cash in 100 lbs of cans at a time which still is a whole lot.

The CA CEW (Covered Electronic Waste) program seems to have a decently high reject rate (I don't know the percentage off hand, but had read about it a couple years ago). Spot checks on the direct source of the CRTs by phone even end up excluding ones that actually came from the state legitimately. If the phone number was wrong, or the person gives the wrong answer to questions, it's not counted. There is a scrap yard near me that stopped buying CRTs because a lot of the people bringing them in were either not answering their phone, didn't have a phone, or weren't able to be contacted in some way. There was such a high reject rate, that it wasn't worth it.

I guess I'm happy NY doesn't do that because their working so hard to be green, yet copying almost every law in the book California has. One can still bring in out of state cans or bottles here and there's no limit.

I,'m sorry I haden't read your post and did not intend to step on yours,( for that I apologize) when I made mine o,r I simply would have added to yours. I got my info from yahoo today during a research period, not the best or most reliable place. It was only meant to be a heads up not a detailed posting. I'm sorry but I do get offended when my name and misinformation are used in the same sentence. like any one else I do make mistakes and will admit them and try to correct them.

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Originally Posted by logansryche

I guess I'm happy NY doesn't do that because their working so hard to be green, yet copying almost every law in the book California has. One can still bring in out of state cans or bottles here and there's no limit.

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Logan,

Should really research that. There are hefty fines for being caught doing that. In addition, if you bring back more than $125.00 at one time, they have to take your information and license plate and you need to sign something. I live close enough to the new York line and we don't have a return on water bottles. I've looked in to the legality of this.

If that's true, everyone in Syracuse needs to be arrested - the law's lax on alot of things but strict on other things here. Onondaga County must be a void or something.

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Originally Posted by olddude

I,'m sorry I haden't read your post and did not intend to step on yours,( for that I apologize) when I made mine o,r I simply would have added to yours. I got my info from yahoo today during a research period, not the best or most reliable place. It was only meant to be a heads up not a detailed posting. I'm sorry but I do get offended when my name and misinformation are used in the same sentence. like any one else I do make mistakes and will admit them and try to correct them.

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It's fine, really - I admit the first time I posted that I was linked to it from a site and then kinda confirmed it when scrap monster posted about it. CRT handling in the states is getting out of hand fast and it's up to us as scrappers to help the world fix itself.

I have a goal of becoming a E-scrap collector, that is depending on cost, local zoning and who knows how many "hoops and loops" I'll need to hurdle. It is a goal and a step in A DESIRABLE, CORRECT AND PURPOSEFUL DIRECTION.

Olddude I for one see no harm done, as always you brought out a civilized conversation, thus "no foul". IMO!

These things always seem to get out of hand quickly. We all know what paves the road to Hell...

In other news, I need to get a mail truck, so that I can haul cans across state lines! That worked well on TV, didn't it???

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Originally Posted by logansryche

I guess I'm happy NY doesn't do that because their working so hard to be green, yet copying almost every law in the book California has. One can still bring in out of state cans or bottles here and there's no limit.

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Can I bring my beverage containers I purchased in another state to New York and get the refund?

The real answer is NO.

When was New York's Bottle Bill enacted and where do I find it?

The New York State Returnable Container Act (more commonly referred to as the "Bottle Bill") is in Article 27, Title 10 of the Environmental Conservation Law (ECL), Sections 27-1001 to 27-1019.

The applicable regulations are at 6 NYCRR Part 367.

The law was originally enacted on June 15,1982, and effective July 1, 1983, pursuant to Chapter 200 of the Laws of 1982. Laws of 1983, 1984, 1988 and 1997 made changes to the original law.

Most recently, amendments made pursuant to Chapter 59 of the Laws of 2009 were enacted on April 7, 2009.

When was New York's Bottle Bill enacted and where do I find it?

The New York State Returnable Container Act (more commonly referred to as the "Bottle Bill") is in Article 27, Title 10 of the Environmental Conservation Law (ECL), Sections 27-1001 to 27-1019.

The applicable regulations are at 6 NYCRR Part 367.

The law was originally enacted on June 15,1982, and effective July 1, 1983, pursuant to Chapter 200 of the Laws of 1982. Laws of 1983, 1984, 1988 and 1997 made changes to the original law.

Most recently, amendments made pursuant to Chapter 59 of the Laws of 2009 were enacted on April 7, 2009.

When was New York's Bottle Bill enacted and where do I find it?

The New York State Returnable Container Act (more commonly referred to as the "Bottle Bill") is in Article 27, Title 10 of the Environmental Conservation Law (ECL), Sections 27-1001 to 27-1019.

The applicable regulations are at 6 NYCRR Part 367.

The law was originally enacted on June 15,1982, and effective July 1, 1983, pursuant to Chapter 200 of the Laws of 1982. Laws of 1983, 1984, 1988 and 1997 made changes to the original law.

Most recently, amendments made pursuant to Chapter 59 of the Laws of 2009 were enacted on April 7, 2009.

In order to get a refund, you must have paid a deposit in New York. The deposit-return system is based on the idea that a bottle or can is bought in New York, the deposit is paid, and then the deposit is returned to the purchaser when the container is returned. Bottles and cans bought in another state cannot be returned for a refund because no deposit was originally paid in New York, even if the container has a New York deposit indication (NY 5¢) on it. It is illegal to collect a refund in New York on a bottle or can purchased in another state with penalties of up to $100 per container or up to $25,000.

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Originally Posted by olddude

Can I bring my beverage containers I purchased in another state to New York and get the refund?

The real answer is NO.

When was New York's Bottle Bill enacted and where do I find it?

The New York State Returnable Container Act (more commonly referred to as the "Bottle Bill") is in Article 27, Title 10 of the Environmental Conservation Law (ECL), Sections 27-1001 to 27-1019.

The applicable regulations are at 6 NYCRR Part 367.

In order to get a refund, you must have paid a deposit in New York. The deposit-return system is based on the idea that a bottle or can is bought in New York, the deposit is paid, and then the deposit is returned to the purchaser when the container is returned. Bottles and cans bought in another state cannot be returned for a refund because no deposit was originally paid in New York, even if the container has a New York deposit indication (NY 5¢) on it. It is illegal to collect a refund in New York on a bottle or can purchased in another state with penalties of up to $100 per container or up to $25,000.

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I suppose that makes sense but isn't redemption already paid for if a NY based company sells their drinks in another state? If not someone messed up somewhere. If I buy a bottle of Crystal20 water from Shop n Save in TN and bring it back up here to NY I can get $0.05 back from it wither it's from a redemption machine at Byrne n Dairy or an actual recycling place like Cicero Bottle Redemption. Should I be able to? No, but it's become a grey area. Every city/town/state has one wither they want to admit it or not.

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Originally Posted by matador

I need to get a mail truck, so that I can haul cans across state lines! That worked well on TV, didn't it???

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Ya know the last person who had a mail truck claimed to be a representative of the united states and reinstated the postal service so he wouldn't get shot by an angry mob...

Ok It's a New Year and I had a few cocktails, so I could say almost anything but won't. Logan I think the answer to that question is no!

Enjoy your New Year everyone

You too!

As a New Yorker, for better or worse, this was interesting as I had heard about the law but was not aware of the details. I have been collecting Ewaste for over a year now and was planning to build an attractive collection bin similar to the clothing bins one sees for electronics. It looks like I would be wise to invest in the $250 dollar fee to do this, though as many of you do, this is a part time sideline for me. Any thoughts on collecting electronics this way without the "permit"? Our local solid waste takes the elctronics whole, I would be breaking them down and selling components.

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As a New Yorker, for better or worse, this was interesting as I had heard about the law but was not aware of the details. I have been collecting Ewaste for over a year now and was planning to build an attractive collection bin similar to the clothing bins one sees for electronics. It looks like I would be wise to invest in the $250 dollar fee to do this, though as many of you do, this is a part time sideline for me. Any thoughts on collecting electronics this way without the "permit"? Our local solid waste takes the elctronics whole, I would be breaking them down and selling components.

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Not sure where in Upstate NY you are but I've been getting electronics from folks through Facebook groups. I like the drop off idea but you might need an additional permit or two to construct and place the bin.

-Matt

Am I reading this right..... NY doesn't accept Escrap from outside states?
Wonder if I can ship it in?
This would put a bullet into my scrapping eWaste if not....

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Originally Posted by BDAScrapper

Am I reading this right..... NY doesn't accept Escrap from outside states?
Wonder if I can ship it in?
This would put a bullet into my scrapping eWaste if not....

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No we do, the bill that was passed made it illegal to throw out electronics in the garbage.

Awesome, been reading up on importing scrap into NY. Doesn't seem to be any issue at all, as long as it is inspected before it leaves here, upon arrival and has a destination. Wasent so sure about Escrap though, it's the time of the year when everyone is throwing out old CPUs there is probably about a container of tvs DVD players and CPUs at the dump, I grabbed 4 today and got goodies out of all 4, back again tomorrow.

Thanks for the reply, still won't let me PM. Says I'm not allowed yet.

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Originally Posted by BDAScrapper

Awesome, been reading up on importing scrap into NY. Doesn't seem to be any issue at all, as long as it is inspected before it leaves here, upon arrival and has a destination. Wasent so sure about Escrap though, it's the time of the year when everyone is throwing out old CPUs there is probably about a container of tvs DVD players and CPUs at the dump, I grabbed 4 today and got goodies out of all 4, back again tomorrow.

Thanks for the reply, still won't let me PM. Says I'm not allowed yet.

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That's fine, i'm sure you're not too far away from the requirement for it. Anyhow, I feel it's important to have external relations with other scrappers(sounds like Bermuda's a honey hole in itself).

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Originally Posted by logansryche

I guess I'm happy NY doesn't do that because their working so hard to be green, yet copying almost every law in the book California has. One can still bring in out of state cans or bottles here and there's no limit.

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Are you sure about that. I did some inquiries with people I know in Buffalo and they say its not aloud. Of course they could be wrong. I go to NY 5-6 times a year . Be nice to offset my expenses with bottles.
Never mind. Should have read whole thread first.