Her interview was set for 11:00 am on Friday.
She called me at 3:00 and laughingly said that she forgot to write down the appointment and it had slipped her mind.
I think she was surprised when I told her that she no longer qualified for the job.
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Her interview was set for 11:00 am on Friday.
She called me at 3:00 and laughingly said that she forgot to write down the appointment and it had slipped her mind.
I think she was surprised when I told her that she no longer qualified for the job.
Was she younger & inexperienced spin ?
Just wondering because a lot of the new hires where my wife is employed were never taught how to work. Some don't quite seem to get the concept. If a work shift conflicts with something else they would rather be doing they don't show up.:-/
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Originally Posted by spinroch
I think she was 29.
I only gave her the chance because my lead person recommended her.
I'm back to my preference of not hiring anyone under 60
HEY! (Yea I yelled, but it's ok)
Yanno, not everyone of my generation are total sh*tballs. I admit we have quite a few but myself as an example...people think I work way too much and focus too much when I am working. Most of the guys I grew up with are the same way. You handled it right, they don't show, it's a no go. BUT I hope you were joking about the latter statement. You will always be missing out on the best and most dedicated. Frankly, adults prior to my generation made a big stink out of the 36 hour work week which became a 40 hour week. Now...if your my generation likely your entire adult life you've never worked less than 50 hours a week and better than half of us have two jobs as it is...life is hard, we are harder. Remember that. I certainly am a little heated about the comment and I can admit that, but then I don't appreciate a fell swoop right off of the hardest working generation in america, statistically speaking we work longer hours and at harder jobs to a lower standard of living than in the living memory of this country and that sir is a fact.
I believe in the following:
Work Ethic, making the most of your work. I believe that by example people will follow what I do, a lazy boss does not a good worker make. We as children of our parents are heavily influenced in workplace ethics by our parents, and there sir is where I have had the worst experiences...hiring out of work people for short term jobs that are older than I am. The 43 year old I had last week I wanted to leave in a dumpster. Worse still the guy before him spent all his time texting when he wasnt carrying something...in front of my clients. His age? 49. He made 9 bucks from me...and I left him at a bus stop. I've had the best luck with guys who are older than college age and younger than forty.
I think you experienced the child of lazy parents...it happens.
Dang it Spin, I was thinking of relocating to the east coast and applying for your opening. Now your telling me I'm not old enough?
< Gently and kindly >Quote:
Originally Posted by armygreywolf
Well .... we're all at different stages in life. What you described is very much like what i experienced when i was coming up through.
When you are in your 20's & 30's you have all of this youthful energy and you are hungry to make your mark. As you mature your passions cool and you don't have as much energy on tap. Instead of working HARD you shift your priority to working SMART.
Another way of looking at this: You hit mid-life and people that you have come up through with start dying. It makes you realize that your days are numbered too. Chances are .... there are more days behind you than there are ahead of you.
You come to understand that your MOST important resource is time.
That makes you expedient in the way you do things. You don't drive yourself through a knothole unless the expenditure of time and energy is well worth the gain.
I can see why spin might prefer folks over 60. They're settled and are more apt to do things in a methodical way. Some, with a lifetime of work experience, have uncommonly good work habits. They're reliable and steady. That might be just the right thing for his business.
It's all good. There are pros and cons to every age group.
In the end it's really about what works best for you as an employer. :)
I agree on all of the above. Im not really mad at the op...quite the contrary actually. Im disappointed that everything we as a generation work for and as you put...try to make our mark on is destroyed so easily by individuals without the same ethics...so much so an employer would illegally discriminate on an age group for that reason. I do say illegally because when i was in my early adult life I had to turn to the army to provide for my family simply because the jobs i was qualified for weren't "for my age group"
Uh should have added the job interview to your phone, or Facebook or whatever the hell you are looking at when you are looking at your phone! I am sure that they have an App for that!
skype!
I concour.I'm 29 and it hard to find people who just want to work the day and get paid. ask people care about it the paycheck, not earning it just getting it. that why I like this business I earn my paycheck. and I allow friend to come earn with me. but if you come to a job with me and don't earn, I'll bring you to my house and have my girl cook us dinner. cost we are have to eat. but I'm not a business I'm a man who work for my daughter and if I can't trust you to work alone then you don't deserve a paycheck from me. in being too realize t not just my generation being lazy it the world as a whole beginning lazy.
Wow! Strong feelings there! Everyone is different: each person has their own positives and negatives. Not too long ago I trained a 19 year old on how to build, test, troubleshoot and do hardware and software repair on computers (as well as how to scrap them) When he gained some skills, I gave him a dollar an hour raise. He started in coming in late and sometimes not showing up at all. Left a bitter taste. I was one of those hard working young people too, once. Now I run my own business, and having a job means showing up when you are supposed to and doing what you are paid to do. I am not here to provide cash flow, I am here to run a business, and to pay and reward those who do a good job. Young or old, go out and prove yourself. I did and do every day and if I don't, I don't get paid.
The retail place that I work gets a bunch of college kids each year. I would have to say that 75% have no work ethic, 20% are ok, 4% are good and 1% are great.
Somewhere there exists a cave drawing calling the kids these days lazy
Armygreywolf: thank you for your service. Makes me proud to be an American!
I'm not illegally discriminating, since no job is being advertised.
Doesn't mean I won't hire a younger person.
It means that they gotta impress me.
It also means that they have to show up!
Thanks for sharing your feelings.
After getting a very good review and a nice raise, my supervisor once told me that 90% of my job was showing up on time.
your welcome spin. Im upset at my own age group...and really its our parents that served as the best example. Ive had far worse luck with 40 to 55 than 25 to 40 so far...sad situation amd it only cements the reason china outproduces us...
We always joke about" 80 percent of success is showing up". Funny but true. Add it to your quotes sirsQuote:
Originally Posted by jimicrk
Hummm ... i dunno. There's a lot to this.
I've seen people that you would think were completely useless come right to the front under the right circumstances. It goes across all age groups.
On the other side of it .... under some circumstances even the best people will under perform.
It's not black and white.
ETA: Harry Truman had a plaque on his desk that read " The buck stops here ". You've gotta respect that because it's a "No Excuses" style of management. That's the way i run my jobs.
What it all boils down to is that if something on the job isn't going right it's ALWAYS the boss's fault.
I really do agree with you on that statement. In my experience the boss leads good or bad or allows underlings to do the job correctly or incorrectly. In my 20yrs of service in the USMC I noted that the commanding officer of great units directed and allowed his Marines to perform their mission correctly. In the poorly performing units it was the commanding officer that failed to lead properly. Its the boss that sets the tone and this includes punishment of those who don't perform up to standard after being properly trained and supervised. The punishment allows the other employees to see that good work equals continued employment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrappah
This leadership of any organization begins at the hiring of new personnel. This has to be a difficult thing to do. When you consider the boss/owner is an expert at say recycling ewaste not hiring the right people not to mention all the government regs that have to be complied with.
I'm past the 60year mark and I am impressed when I meet hard working folks in their 20's-40's. I personally know many examples of extremely un-ambishous, under-employed and happy about it individuals. Mike
The title surprises me, she didn't want a job, she wanted a paycheck. If she wanted a job she'd been there 5 min. early and brought you a cup of coffee. ;)
All 3 of my sons are under 27 years of age and all three have held jobs since before age 16 and haven't missed a day for anything frivolous. matter of fact, one of the sons blew ME (the mom!) off because of work the next day. They all have great work ethics and if one of them had been your appointment they would have shown up.
I try to keep it real Mike.Quote:
Originally Posted by miked
In all honesty that sounds like me. I do enough to get by but beyond that ....... nah, it just ain't worth doin'.
It's all a question of what keeps people motivated. Money doesn't mean much to me. If people try to come down on me with shame & guilt i just laugh and rape them with logic. Threaten to fire me and i'll happily try to find someone for you that could do the job better.
The thing that really drives me to excellence is knowing that somebody out there is depending on me to do my job. Failure is not an option .... not on my watch !
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The biggest problem with the boss / worker relationship is that the worker doesn't really have a vested interest in the outcome. If they punch out at the end of the day and there's a problem with the operation it's the owner's problem.If they get fired or laid off because the business went belly up they don't stand all that much to lose.
The boss stands to lose EVERYTHING so they're more strongly motivated to perform.
It's mostly about what best serves your self interest. Most people are selfish and self serving. There's nothing wrong with that. You have to be that way to survive.
They had a good example to follow NA..... That is what I think is lacking with some of todays kids. Too much guilt on the parents part that their kids don't have what their friends have so they feel obligated to keep up with the Jonses' so to speak. Or the flip side is that some have seen how their parents can work the system to get freebies and figure they should too.Quote:
Originally Posted by newattitude
What's the job spin? I'm nearby and know a couple of hard working reliable people looking for work. Feel free to PM me
It’s definitely tough out there for workers AND bosses
I’ve bounced around from job to job all throughout high school, college and then even afterwards. Mostly it had to do with the fact that schedules didn’t work out so I had to find something else but to be honest, I think this worked in my favor since I gained a little bit of experience working in different types of places.
But now, I see how it is from the boss/owner’s side of things. I really am my worst critic and when it comes to scrapping, if I don’t get work done, I don’t get paid. At my 9-5, if I slack off a bit, the clock still gets punched and I still get my paycheck. Where’s my motivation?
I had one boss who will always stand out as the guy who showed me the WRONG way to do things. I worked for this place for two years total and in two different stints of a year each. Everyone resented this guy for his management style. First off, he was only there because it was a family business and he had no wish to be an EMT whatsoever (his words). And that is SERIOUSLY a job you have to love to be able to do it. He was the kind of guy who would order everyone around and then sit on facebook or youtube in the dispatch office and purposefully avoid calls besides the ones that he wanted to do. Nobody wanted to step up and do anything extra for this guy.
Now, I’ve had other bosses who would get down in the trenches with us, help us wash our rigs, back us up on calls without necessity , listen to comments and complaints, be well dressed, etc. Those bosses I would bend over backwards for and have no issue picking up a shift on a moments’ notice because it got busy or there was a staffing issue.
I’m 29 now and I am starting to realize what it can be like for a boss or an owner who has dead weight to deal with. But I’ve worked with great younger people and lazy older people. I really don’t think age matters that much, I think it is the quality of the person’s character that makes a good employee…or boss!
And I have never, EVER showed up for an interview late and dressed in anything other than at least a shirt and tie, no matter what the job was. Showing a little effort goes a long way.
I hear what you're saying. A person's character has a lot to do with it. It's something i touched on in another thread. I was saying that everyone has their own temperament. Some are bold and yet others are timid by nature. Those with a bold temperament are better suited to leadership positions while those with a timid nature are better suited to being followers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyNoNeck
Neither one is any better than the other ... it's simply who you are. Be excellent at what you're meant to be.
So much of all of this comes down to the unspoken agreement :
You know the old saying " That you'll never get rich working for somebody else" ? It's true !
The people who are followers (employees) have made a choice to tradeoff any real chance of success for the security of a steady job.
As a leader (boss) it's your responsibility to provide a safe, stable, and structured work environment along with a steady paycheck. Further, it's not enough to be really good at what you do. You have to be able to work with, and effectively manage, people. That's an entirely different skill set. And ... you will probably end up working TWICE as hard as your employees. It's no easy task.
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There's something else in the works these days though:
It reminds me of an interview that was done with a steel worker shortly after the fall of the former U.S.S.R. The iron curtain dropped and the news media from the west came in to investigate what had been going on behind the scenes for all of those years. Their steel industry was badly outdated and in a shambles. When the steel worker was asked his opinion he grew thoughtful and summed it all up in one short phrase. He said:
For thirty years i pretended to work and for thirty years they pretended to pay me.
I've always felt, and my military service backs this up much the same as already said, that your performance as a leader is the number one effect on your employees. I work my arse off every day as an example to my son and to the part timers. The guys I have now that I've kept around know that as I grow the company they have a very good chance of going full time with me. I am trying very hard for that reason, because I get so much more enjoyment in my labors when the people around me benefit from it and can appreciate the work for what it is. That's my ethic and my integrity.
To heck with those who can't keep up, McDonalds is always hiring. This thread shows me that ideals and similar ethics come from the cream of the crop from ALL walks of life and from ALL ages. Yes I agree the elder generations tend to have a methodical ethic thats perfect for the e waste business but in my case I need the naturally informed person who grew up around computers and can recognize the parts for what they are, able to cull the stuff marked for reuse. Every day is a struggle, when it's not I didn't try hard enough that day.
I believe it all boils down to who the person is / how they were raised versus a generational thing. I'm 29 and have a manager in her 50s. Our main priority is to unload trailers. Usually when we get someone new she will point at me and say "follow him around he'll show you". It isn't that she's lazy or bad at her job, it's just that she's older and can't do the more physical things. Which I understand. There's also a man I work with who has been there for 40 years. The newer, mostly young, people will complain that they "do less" than the rest of us. A quick reminder of how they busted their a**es for a lot longer than we have and earned the right to tell us what to do usually works.
So I had the opportunity to train a lot of different kinds of people the (few to some) years I've been working. A lot of times it depends on how you approach a person. There are people who are lost causes. But I've found the best approach is if I'm considered to be "in charge" I won't have someone do something I wouldn't do. If my manager is absent or on vacation I've found that to be the best approach. I usually start an hour before them so when they arrive I show them a long list of things that needed to be done. Most of which, to put it bluntly, suck. I then follow up with "I've done the entire list already, this is what's new that needs to be done." 9 times out of 10 they're cooperative. The 1 out of 10 usually is an a**hole.
We had a kid who was related to management and worked really hard for me. However, for whatever reason, he was seen as lazy. He was about to go on leave for the Army National Guard. His last day with us before he left we had a large trailer of that crap-in-a-box heavy furniture anyone can build at home. You could tell the nerves of being 18 about to go to boot camp were getting to him so for his last day I unloaded the skids myself. He was going to help but seeing how he worked so hard leading up to that day I told him to enjoy his day and let the girls know when he'll be back and that he's single. Probably bad mentoring on my part but oh well. Since he has come back to work though, he never shied to do a single thing I have asked. Really fast, too.
I can't relate to you private business owners, though. It's a lot easier when not owning the place you're trying to help manage and could have multiple replacements quickly.
started working at 12 now 56 and will most likely be working when im 8o if the good lord be willing