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i found tons of info on this subject,,,it just seems to be a few years old....WHAT IS YOUR YARD PAYING FOR ELECTRIC MOTORS......
I only get 10 cents per pound in my area, i have been on the phone for the last few days and i cant get much better pricing,,,,,
the motors i am talking about are very large, they weigh in between 450 lbs to 1200 lbs each...
i am in southern ohio,45629 area code, with the amount of weight i have if i could get a good enough price id be willing to travel a bit...
I messaged you with the name of one of the forum buyers in your area. its not his specialty, but I know he used to have a price for motors if you sent a message through his site.
The yard I use is paying around .21 I believe. I haven't checked lately
thank you very much matt
make sure you talk to the commercial buyer if you are calling a yard for pricing on nonferrous of this quantity. I would love to see the look on the face of my contact at the local yard if I told him I had that much lol
thats a good idea,,thanks again matt,,,, i talked to my yard about getting a price upgrade.....they just told me they cant do it with the motors...i mean they do it all the time with other things....
.18 this is for motors and transformer
I sold some large electric motors today close to 8500 lbs .28 copper went down today .11
thats a great price, i i will have several ton by the time i get all of them that i have coming to me....i am curious, do you get the same price for the very large industrial motors as you do the smaller ones...80 percent of what i have weigh between 350 to 1200 lbs eachQuote:
Originally Posted by 1956
i was kinda worried with them being so heavy that they may have a lower copper/steel ratio than your average 15 to 30 pound electric motor,,therefore they may not fetch as much money
oh and thank you very much for the quick reply to my question thread,,i am very appreciative of your comments and everyone elses
Wade,
If these motors you have are just "standard" 3 phase motors as used everywhere in industry:
You might also consider upgrading them a bit by pulling the end bells and rotor so that the portion with the copper windings has less steel attached to it. The end bells usually come off with about 4 bolts so it could be very quick to open them up. If they are standard motors there isn't any copper on the rotors--just aluminum.
Selling just the stator as copper bearing gives both you and the yard a better idea of the actual copper in the load, since it is visible. It should make it easier to negotiate a price.
This also gives you a chance to have a look at the windings. Some motors have a lot of the windings hanging out at each end of the stator and they can be fairly easily whacked off with a gas powered demolition saw with a cutoff disk in it. Usually it isn't worth trying to punch the windings out of the stator because they are glued in place with heavy varnish and need to be burnt out.
I've cut the wires off some stators which yielded 40 lbs of copper per end--80 lbs per stator.
Some of the aluminum on the rotor is easily bashed off with a BFH.
As always with scrap, if the motors are usable and a fairly modern design, they could be resold for more than scrap.
Good luck, and let us know how you make out with this!!
Jon.
I'm a buyer for a yard in sw mi and I can tell all you guys/girls that yards can get about 26-28 per pound for BIG motors, depending on how close to the coasts they are. Midwest is always going to be less than west coast for obvious reasons. As a buyer the bad thing about motors is #1 china is weak right now and that's where most end up. #2 with whole motors there is always a chance of them having alum windings. My advice to sellers is pull staters and obviously pullys gear box ect. With open motors ie no stater, they should be priced closer to high 20's low 30's or even a tad bit higher if someone wants to be aggressive
the biggest part of these motors are the sealed type,,they seem to be pressed together....there are not any yards i know of that have a copper bearing material price,,i had never even heard that phrase until i found this forum,,,,so i would not get any more for a stator than i would the whole motor,,,,,,Quote:
Originally Posted by sawmilleng
these reasons are why i have ask this question on here,,its very rare i get A large quantity of something like this.....with the weight i have i will have to travel with this load, i will not be selling them for 10 cents a pound....
most of these motors are US ELECTRICAL MOTOR COMPANY 50 to 100 horse power 3 phase electrical motors the most common model is R319.....this particular motor weighs about 700 to 800 pounds.....if i thought there was a chance there was 40 or 50 pounds of copper in one i would strip them....ive never dealt in electric motors this size.....i have looked everywhere i can think of on the internet trying to find the copper weight of them ,,i havnt had any luck though
do you really think they could have 40 pounds of copper in them ?? i am not doubting you, i just never thought there would be near that amount in one....
If I remember right these motors should average 7-8 percent copper, we had a shear that hooked up to a excavator it used to eat them up, that is really the only feasible way to cut them time wise.
i can see that 1956,,,the large ones i looked over closely seem to be pressed together and completely sealed....if they have 7 to 8 percent copper in them it would be worth at least entertaining the idea of stripping them...
i will give it a go and as long as the cost of consumables pluss my time doesnt kill the extra profit made i may go ahead and strip them.....im going to tAke 2 days off next week sometime and do some in the house work i need to get done,,,i am going to call around all the yards within 100 miles of here and see what kinda price i can get on a bulk amount selling them whole...id much rather just flip them like that, as long as the difference in price isnt something i cant live with......
oh by the way thank you very much for the info 1956 ,,also thank everyone for your info on this subject
Are you able to post a photo or two?
I looked up US Electric R319 and could only find a listing for a 2 hp motor.
My comment about getting 80 lbs of wire was from a DC motor out of an older public transit vehicle. It was an English-made motor of about 125hp with odd-looking windings, where lots of wire hung out of the ends of the stator. It was 40lbs per end; I weighed them.
The motors you are talking about are probably nearly guaranteed not to be this juicy.
Big motors like you are talking about "shouldn't" be sealed...there are usually 4 bolts on each end bell to take them apart. But there's always the exception to the "normal" motor!!
Jon.
you can google US ELECTRICAL MOTOR COMPANY and get there website, i found almost every motor i have on there...the motors im talking about are almost always sealed, they are made to be out doors in the weather..these come from power plants and chemical plants....i dont have any photos at the moment,,i have everything over at my cousins house, the trailer i used to haul them home on is too big to turn in to any of my drive ways,,,so i had to take them somewhere more accesable
The only piece of data you indicated is the model is W319. I did a search on the US Motors site of Nidec Electric Motors and it comes up with 0 matches.
I guess I'm an idiot.
Jon.
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Originally Posted by sawmilleng
i actually never said w319 ....the info i gave was..... .most of these motors are US ELECTRICAL MOTOR COMPANY 50 to 100 horse power 3 phase electrical motors the most common model is R319.....this particular motor weighs about 700 to 800 pounds.....if i thought there was a chance there was 40 or 50 pounds of copper in one i would strip them....ive never dealt in electric motors this size.....i have looked everywhere i can think of on the internet trying to find the copper weight of them ,,i havnt had any luck though.............
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Elect motors and transformers $.25 lb. here
I get $.15 cents a lb
.20/lb for electric motors, .30/lb for starters and alternators.
I was Getting .30 a # for the longest time . But then recently it dropped to .20 a # . I usaully break down the copper bearing ones and sell smaller ones and aluminum wound ones as is.
I recently scrapped a lot of electric motors (cannot say how much for privacy reasons) for 29 cents per lb
Always been .15 cents here but when I took my stash in recently, I got .08. Next time I'll call ahead.
I will buy all your 8 and 10 cents per lb motors for 12 cents per lb
I talked to my contact at the yard I use today. Motors are n the way up right now street price is about .20 and a little more for regulars and large volumes. I think the .21 I said before was what I was getting, so street price is approaching last months special price.
He also said that the large motors usually take a small hit in price, but if you were bringing in tons of them, you could probably get the .20.
to any who were curious about my motor deal......i ended up going with a yard in galipollis ohio...i cant remember there name off hand but i do have it wrote down.... they paid me 32 cents per pound.....i hauled the motors up there in 2 loads the total weight was 15,460 pounds.........i know it was all my truck wanted ..
anyhow the folks were very nice, they offered me some very competitive prices for alternators,starters and stainless steel,, they also buy copper bearing material, none of the local yards do that in my area...they also pay way better for unclean aluminum....
all in all it was a very good connection, and the cool thing is it is only 1 hour and 20 minutes from my house...i can take back roads almost all the way there too and that is a plus
I get $0.20 a lb here in Brooklyn, big or small.