learned 4 yrs late

For 3 1/2 to 4 yrs I had found a short steel component of the electric company They are a steel shaft that has a ceramic bell shaped piece that wires would be twisted on I have found in the last bunch of years I bet 300 of them if not more .
All I ever did was toss em as short , till last week the yard guy rejects them as short . I go ho-there thats short if ever their was short
He says to me yes but look at the threaded part THATS LEAD !! LEAD ??
I said to my self lead !!!! man lead darn !! DARN IT !!!
I said to the yard guy THANK YOU
He must of saw my brain percolating and he says just don't breath in the fumes
I melted 6 ends to day it turned in to 2 pounds of lead

I figure I lost out on 100 lbs of lead at least

Better late then never! Any idea of the quality of the lead? I would shop around to the shooting/reloading community....chances are it is better gear than the wheel weights commonly used!

Yes quality of lead is fine very clean melt, all I did was put the 6 shafts in a cast iron pot lead at bottom . I made a fire of cardboard and wood and it melted off fast
poured into a mold and 2 lbs.

A better description
They are called Glazed Porcelain / ceramic Tel - Electrical Insulator ,but the steel shaft with lead threaded end is whats important. . Many years ago they screwed onto a wood shaft with threads . Now the shafts are made of steel and bolt on to the polls, the Porcelain / ceramic spins on .

I am still getting really irked as to how much lead i passed up on .
SO is it possible all the TV boards i toss @ .15 could also be heated and the silver lead tin solder will fall off
into the pot.

once again its posting like this that show me just how much i don't know about scrap, let alone e-waste. I've learned more in the 2 days in this group than i learned surfing the net for info the past year. :)

SO is it possible all the TV boards i toss @ .15 could also be heated and the silver lead tin solder will fall off
into the pot.

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I'd like to know the answer to that myself.

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SO is it possible all the TV boards i toss @ .15 could also be heated and the silver lead tin solder will fall off
into the pot.

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From personal experience I really don't think you want to be breathing any of the misc. fumes that would be coming off of that mess.
That's a quick way to ruin your lungs. I have COPD and emphysema and some of that could have possibly came from me repairing radios
and doing soldering for the past 20 years. Even tho I tried to use an exhaust fan while soldering.

just don't let it go to your ass ; )

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SO is it possible all the TV boards i toss @ .15 could also be heated and the silver lead tin solder will fall off
into the pot.

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You will not get get enough quantity to make it worth your time much less recover the expense involved.

All the fumes associated with the various plastics ect on tv boards....ESPECIALLY the older ones where god only knows what chemicals they allowed to pass (ie carcinogens) can be in them...will eat your lungs...do not, do NOT try to melt or burn stuff like that....well ventilated or not..not something to screw with for a couple of $$.

What I see now with reclaiming lead or lead type is it's very up close personal work ,
your gonna pour off the melt so your gonna breath in some thing,
I bet boards will deliver a lead type but your also gonna deal with many pounds of chard board that will kill you in time .

But I am rethinking battery's here is why
First I find Bats free
Well cleaned lead is worth $ 1.70 lb to people & they will pay
forget about the yard only paying .40 cents LB
I feel lead will increase in value over the years
So do you want to hoard Bats ? not really for me

Recently I had about 6 of those small Lead Acid Bats used for safety lamps
I figured lets give it a try once more .
Bottom line I got 1 pound of clean lead from 6 little Bats
so yes it's worth not much at the .40 at the yard and $1.70 to gun people which is not really a real gain BUT it's free except for my time
So it's a good investment
,I feel lead will have more value in the years to come, so if I can
build a lead stash thats a winner.
For sure Bats can deliver great lead but you get a lot of char
If you believe Wickapidia lead will run out in the years to come,
so recycling of lead is very important now and that is not gonna change.

AL is findable as is CU
But Lead is hard to find and when you find it you gotta work it ,
thats sign of truth

everything about lead you might want to know. Happy learning
The metallurgy of lead: including desilverisartion and cupellation - John Percy - Google Books

page 524 has the answers to the lead poisoning

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Recently I had about 6 of those small Lead Acid Bats used for safety lamps
I figured lets give it a try once more .
Bottom line I got 1 pound of clean lead from 6 little Bats

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What did you do with the acid ?

Re-loaders of ammunition will not buy the lead possibly when they find out it is from batteries. I have forgotten why but when we reloaded and cast out own slugs one rule was not to use lead from batteries.

I did not give the acid much thought but these were little bats, If I ever go for a larger bat I'll have to give it some consideration but I live in the country so if I was to put it on the road there are no street drains . so it's just gonna disperse . I could flush in to my septic for what harm will it cause in that cud .

ammo people
might not like the loss , once you have all the lead from the Bat out it's a good amount you could go the the yard with it. Now when you put all those plates to melt it seems to me the loss is 50% to 75% of the lead from those plates . It chars up big time . Once lead is molten it flows like water so you can pour into a mold and the heavy char stays behind in the melting pot .
The first clean melt looks like nice lead , Its lead-- Once a person was to have say 10 15 pounds of those first melts then you can remelt and really clean it
using wax in the Multan lead and removing Dross.
As to what I see and research I see lead can be worked but yes you will lose some weight as you purify .There may be some other elements in bat lead that I am unaware of .Still the one pound blob, I used a small sand box and scooped out a long hole as my mold, sure looks nice ,feels heavy for it's size it's lead for sure.

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As to lead poison I don't take it lightly but I am out side . Also the paint work i did in my life I can tell you was worse than this
I must have some lead in my system just from the homes i worked on in my life , sanding scrapping absolutely , Oil paints , Moisture cure clear coats , my eyes used to burn . I sand walls and that buds is hay there .
I seem healthy for all I did so this is what I do & I do it - it's my lot in life.

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I did not give the acid much thought but these were little bats, If I ever go for a larger bat I'll have to give it some consideration but I live in the country so if I was to put it on the road there are no street drains . so it's just gonna disperse . I could flush in to my septic for what harm will it cause in that cud

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It's not really a good idea to dispose of the acid by pouring it on the ground, this can contaminate your water supply system. This solution can have traces of lead in it. It would be better to neutralize it to a PH of about 7 at that point anything in the solution should drop out. You can use ash from hard wood fire to neutralize the solution.

from what I am reading the problem is 2 types of lead plates that alternate every other plate
one plate is PB = Lead
the other is PBO2 = lead oxide - the off color plate that chars up does not melt so well
The Dross from battery lead is toxic vapors are toxic But you will get lead in the end that if you Flux will purify

My feeling is if lead ever gets very expensive per pound - all of a sudden it will be worth it . as of now it's on the edge .
I guess if you live in suburbia around other people you really should not be messing with any lead melting especially batteries

Might as well use this thread
OK first a system has to be developed as to getting at the plates efficiently
NEXT
one 24 pound batteries @ a local value by me = $5.75
first batch of lead ( clean) is 4 pounds = $ 1.60 value at yard
Next i have a charred up rock with lead from the first melting
I see the lead there BUT
I have to pound that out to a fine mix then re melt
I might be able to pull out another 3 to 4 pounds
But I see even if I pull 8 pounds total thats only a local scrap yard price of $3.20
yet e bay might go $10 to $12
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My feeling is the mouton lead that pours is lead &
as lead becomes molten it burns off impurities .
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For me as I feel lead will increase in value,
I feel it's work that will pay off
BUT is not a necessity to melt all your Batteries to get lead
but a few here and there might build a nice lead stash
wile you cash in on some of the Batteries as is

I started this post on 07-11-2013, & today is the 21 of July
from the Bats and the electric company items I am at 9 LBS lead
time will tell

might as well tell what i have been learning
I am doing this on a fire pit , & wood
I use a cast iron pot about 10 inches by 12 inches tall
I find cast iron holds heat well so during the pour all comes out
a stainless steel pot works but cools to fast so some lead can stay in pot

The pour skill is key as you can have floating char that will stay put during the pour
just go very slow , My years as a painter actually helps here as pouring paint from buckets is the same feel

In reference to batteries , Take apart as well as you can lead oxide will not melt well - nor will some noticeably damaged lead from some of the cells
So before the melt look for very VERY brittle portions - if it snaps like a potato chip,that is not turning into lead so remove as much as practical .it's OK to have some but if you have to much of the non melt type , it is to much weight - the weight of that mass can absorb some of the molten lead like a sponge & make it pretty much gone - - it sinks into the molten lead.
The lead oxide can melt to form a rock like sponge & it still has decent weight so it will pull the good lead into it .
Since this sponge lead can be busted with a hammer I doubt it could be sold .
Still i wonder if there is a way to treat the lead oxide first to separate the bond . I am hearing hints that charcoal might do the trick
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I can see ,if us scrappers want to act like we recycle & do good .
Batteries are some thing we really can't do proper
The plastic I can recycle , The acid I cant & the lead oxide I cant (as of yet) It's a real concern this lead oxide ,
as it is converted to metallic lead at facilities .
So I guess I took the challenge but I am not going to start contributing 100 of pounds of lead oxide to land fills ,as it is poison - even I can see might be worse then metallic lead,
as it's soluble into a powdery muck.
There are more then enough other source of lead to avoid this type of gluttony .

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The quality of the Batteries lead is usable by experts - - as they know what it takes to sweeten up the not 100% pure lead
most lead is not 100% pure . Roofing lead is the jewel most wanted .
If your looking to have what is needed for future value in reference to lead , stock pile some pewter (97% tin) & and some zinc on hand , thats what is used to adjust lead to the liking of different applications.

Next

When you have a pot of molten lead NEVER put water on it ,it will react POSITIVELY and fly all over never use water to speed up the initial cool down ( wile still liquid)
After the pour leave alone , let get good and hard .Then turn mold over they will fall out. CAUTION those bars are still very hot . It's up to you but I give it another 5 min then plop em in water
Also if you have a pot of molten lead up and running . Putting in non melted lead will cause a reaction like putting water on it .
Best bet is to melt the amount from start and thats the batch.
THERE is no room for mistakes THATS ALL .Once you are committed and holding that pot you better be focused You have a tiger by the tail.

NO WATER
DON"T DO IN THE RAIN.
I can guarantee
it will react explosive to water

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Lead acid Batteries , I watched a you tube vid of a recycle plant and there reclaim rate is high , I have also seen some vids of back yard attempts & i felt the individuals were inept for the disassembly alone . I also saw how they struggled with minimal lead due to all the oxidized lead . Not much different then my first
attempt . Then it occurred to me how i did have a recent great batch from a bunch of plates .
I was actually not ever going to melt platers again due to the loss of weight
But i figured give it one more try . It went well.
I am not positive , but what happened on my second attempt was I had arbitrarily kept them in a aluminum pot out side for 3 weeks forgot about them & it rained a lot during those weeks .
One day i was doing some cleaning and looked and saw the lead plates sitting in the pot full of rain water I noticed how clean the water was and how normal the lead looked just sitting in the water bucket
I drained the pot and I decided the next day to melt ,they melted well as I said ,
Now I think what must of happened was nature and natural life. The lead just sitting in the sun drying out then rain then drying out cleaned it with elements only nature can manage also the AL pot ??
Now the more i think about it I feel yes If you ever have some lead plats to melt don't rush let nature clean it with neutral rain water ozone from the sun in a AL pot. the natural elements of the earth can naturally brake down the oxide wile leaving the lead inert.
Patience is posably the best method

Lead, is dried and then treated using pyrometallurgy. The concentrate is sintered before being smelted in to produce a 97% Lead concentrate. The Lead is then cooled in stages which causes the lighter impurites (dross) to rise to the surface where they can be removed. The molten Lead bullion is then refined by additional smelting with air being passed over the Lead to form a slag layer containing any remaining impurities and producing 99.9% pure Lead.
this site could be of some use keep on learning
Secondary Lead Production, Secondary Smelting, Secondary Lead Refining

As a time line -
post #18 was my third attempt #19 in part was me noticing a issue of third attempt . A Sponge lead rock with weight sinking into the molten mix & absorbing some of the lead , not good
but #20 was my second attempt and I was not sure why it went well compared to third try. .
So if I use my time line I will now -
Clean the plates of what common sense tells you will not melt .
then put in a AL pot .
Walk away for a few weeks let nature work . When you consider lead was used in plumbing applications
& during demo work never seems aged from life . I now see the longer the better if you were to let the plates just weather out .Some of the Oxides naturally fade away back to the eliminates of earth via natural Hydrolysis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxide
I feel letting soak with Sodium bicarbonate at one point most likely will help also
this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baking_soda


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead
after reading these Wiki references
You realize Lead does tarnish a bit but is very stable , will not rust away if left to the normal events of life

" has a half-life that is so long (much longer than the age of the universe) that it can be considered stable "

What is Half Life ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life

I see why lead is essential to batteries now
it resists decay so well in nature - that forcing a bond with oxidizers and immersion in the acids, allows us to take advantage of leads natural resistance to not decay
This must facilitate storage of electricity

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Lead, is dried and then treated using pyrometallurgy. The concentrate is sintered before being smelted in to produce a 97% Lead concentrate. The Lead is then cooled in stages which causes the lighter impurites (dross) to rise to the surface where they can be removed. The molten Lead bullion is then refined by additional smelting with air being passed over the Lead to form a slag layer containing any remaining impurities and producing 99.9% pure Lead.
this site could be of some use keep on learning
Secondary Lead Production, Secondary Smelting, Secondary Lead Refining

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Pyrometallurgy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sintering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If I put the sponge lead in a blender
and blended charcoal and some carbon from Vac Motor Brushes and chopped together be interesting to see if some of the sponge lead becomes metallic lead
on youtube it does look like the lead is Sintered