Think stuff that you find just rumbling around the house...tin foil, tin cans, etc...
Any of you scrap any of this?
Ever get a significant amount of cash doing it?
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Think stuff that you find just rumbling around the house...tin foil, tin cans, etc...
Any of you scrap any of this?
Ever get a significant amount of cash doing it?
Not seeing a great deal of value in the steel food cans. I ran a large dump truck full of them up to the scrap yard thirty or so years ago. The yard would accept them but wouldn't pay for them.
The main problem seems to be that the metal is so thin. It tends to vaporize rather than melt when it's put in a furnace. It needs it's own special firing process to prevent that from happening.
At least ... that was the way it was explained to me back then.
Check with your yard but the aluminum cans can probably go as sheet aluminum. Most yards aren't happy about accepting foil. It tends to go poof and vaporize in the melting furnace.
You really have to wonder if any of this recycling of things around the house makes any sense from an environmental point of view. Clean potable drinking water is one of the more scarce natural resources on the planet right now. You are turning that into wastewater when you are rinsing out all of those food containers. Then there's the carbon footprint of trucking & transport of all these very low value recycling items to different locations around the planet.
Most of this doesn't make sense from an environmental or money point of view.
If you want to make a significant amount of cash doing this then become the recycling company. It's a wicked great scam.>:)
I scrap my steel food cans and alum cat food cans if they are clean and rinsed out cause if not they attract bugs and critters. But thats how i got my cat, someone dumped her at 3 months old. She was trying to lick dryed food remanence from empty cat food cans my sister gave me i left out in the driveway. It was living/hiding in my garage for a week in December and i couldnt leave that poor cat out there in the cold.
I put alum foil and other small scrap shred items in pringles cans or coffee cans with steel bottoms. No problem. As for food cand I put alum foil in mine and put them in the shred pile
Jeez .... i dunno .... there's got to be a better way of doing the metals recycling. Up until fairly recently ... we sent most of our trash off to the incinerator. The trash was burned to make electricity and the metals were sorted from the ash afterward. The incinerator plant must have been processing at least 200 tons of MSW a day.
The economy of scale and the industrial process is really the best way to go when dealing with low value recyclable items. You would never get anywhere doing one piece at a time by hand.
People are lazy and by putting all recycling in the same bin defiantly more costs, less profit and less value. My grandparents recycled newspapers on Sunday at the church. Now all paper mixed together, less value.
< Sigh > I dunno HF. I started doing the behind the scenes ... hands on work ... of recycling back in 2017. The company i was working for had me bailing cardboard & processing plastic, glass, and aluminum beverage containers. It's dirty, filthy, nasty dehumanizing work.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobo finds
After awhile ... you just say to yourself that this way of doing things is mindless.
I've got a reasonably good head for business. I tried telling the guys up in the office that they were taking an awful loss on the cardboard but they didn't believe me. I ran the numbers and we had about $ 21,000.00 invested in labor for a $ 900.00 return on the bales of cardboard we sold. The company was so poorly managed that i had to get clear of it. The company went into bankruptcy last year.
I got a better job running our town transfer station a couple of years ago. It's a lot of work but so many of the people coming through every day have been telling me that the place has never been run so well. I got a 17% raise this year so i guess the higher ups in local government are well enough satisfied with my work.
I'll tell ya though ... i've still got issues with the whole recycling thing. I still think a lot of it is bull****. We've got the single sort bin that those who want to recycle can use.It holds about 40 yards of mixed paper,cardboard, plastic bottles, and metal cans. It goes off to a single sort facility where machines do all the sorting. It saves a fortune on labor costs at the transfer station level. The next town over is only half our size but they have to have two full timers because they do all their recycling work by hand. It's an army of one at our transfer station because we work smarter.
You might think of it this way : If you had to load a dump truck full of sand on a hot summer day in the blazing sun .....
Would you use a goon spoon -or- a machine like a front end loader with tinted windows & air conditioning ?
All a matter of perspective . What do you consider what amount you want per week . The sellers of scrap can make $5000 plus per week for some $100 / $200 per week is fine . If your goal is a weekly gain of any amount All metal equals Money . If your prone to selling packed cars as rolling mix metal pricing well once more just keep filling the empty auto . For me all metal counts when developing a mix load in back of truck just keep filling adds up !! , If i got em in they go . High level scrappers from demo projects id guess wont waste time thinking about an empty bean can .
Visiting pizza shops in your travels to find and load large pizza sauce cans can add 200 pounds per week at $20 per week , $1000 per year You Tell Me if it's worth it If you buy $1000 dollars of gold per year with it id say yes any can is fair game
Ummmm .... i dunno. I think it's all about the choices you make. You always have to ask yourself if the juice is worth the squeeze. You have to run your scrapping operation like a business even if you're only doing a few metal cans here & there. Small time or big time it's all the same. Sometimes you think you are making gain when you're actually falling behind. You always have to consider the real cost of doing business. Some jobs aren't worth doing because it costs you more to do them than you make at the yard.
You have to consider the value of your time as well. The time you put into it is something you have to keep track of if you're running it like a business. You might only be making one dollar an hour even if you are managing to turn a profit. You might make fifteen or twenty dollars an hour doing some other kind of work.
I see this every day at work. We have a community metals recycling pile at the transfer station where people drop off their scrap metal. It's also okay to pick up a few pieces here and there if you are into scrapping. I like to watch the scrappers as they're picking the pile. You can tell a lot about people by observing how they do their scrapping work. I'm seeing a lot more pickers these days now that non-ferrous prices are up. There might be 20 or 30 people coming through a day. The main problem is that there are so many people trying to do it .... nobody is making anything. Just a little piece here and a little piece there. Nobody is making enough to even meet expenses.
They don't realize it ... but it's a slipping down life.
It's kinda sad to watch cause you get to know the scrappers personally after you have been there for awhile. There's an old timer in his 80's that i'm kind of fond of. He made some bad choices in life but he always had the work ethic. He tries to make a little extra with scrapping but it really isn't working for him. He got behind on his home heating oil bill and now they won't deliver to him anymore. He's fallen a few years behind on his property tax and it won't be too much longer before the town takes his home and puts it up for auction.
It's tragic to see when bad choices and bad business decisions inevitably catch up with someone. There's not much you can do because their fate is inevitably their own.
I have worked at a MRF and yes it does suck. Right after China did the National Sword and started tightening up what they were buying. On the paper line you could easily fill up 2 55 gal cans with dirty diapers in an hour or so that people were tossing in the bins.
Our landfill charges $15.00 for residents 1st 2000 lbs. So I still take scrap down when I get enough of it or wife gets tired of seeing it, lol. When I am too old to scrap anymore I will just leave metal items outside for other scrappers to take.
The only thing we charge for at our transfer station is just the Freon units. Things like fridges, freezers, air conditioners, and dehumidifiers are $ 12.00. Everything else is free to drop off. It's all paid for out of local property and excise taxes. It's simpler and less hassle for the people coming through that way.
I think my favorite part of the job is the metals pile. It's recycling that really works. We even get paid for it. The main yard about 60 miles away sends out a truck & trailer rig and they haul off 10 - 14 tons of mixed metal at a time. In fact .... i've got a couple of loads ready to go. I'm hoping that they show up this week cause the pile is about 14' high right now.
The single sort recycling of cardboard, plastics, and cans .... i'm not so crazy about. It costs about 4x more per ton to get rid of the trash that way. It would make more money sense to just throw that stuff into the trash compactor with the rest of the MSW. I think it would make more sense from an environmental point of view as well. I have to manage some of the trucking & logistics. I'll tell ya .... the carbon footprint of transportation of that low value recyclable stuff is huge. I don't think that anyone who has environmental concerns would ever support it if they knew what was going on behind the scenes.
In theory ... we also make money off the deposit bottles & cans. Most people here don't want to bother with cashing in their beverage containers at the store. We've got a separate building where people can sort them into plastic,glass,or aluminum barrels. The town gets the deposit value when the redemption company comes down to pick them up. The problem is that none of the redemption companies are willing to come down and pick them up anymore. The juice isn't worth the squeeze for them. It's been over a year and a half and the building is full to overflowing now. I would say that part of the recycling effort has been a complete failure.
Anyhow ... different places have different ways of doing things. Some places here in Maine charge for everything they take it. They probably make a lot of money off the trash.
We pay $22.25 a month for weekly garbage and bi weekly recycling pick up. Also a $0.45 recycling surcharge. Also get 2 days a year for bulk and brush items that gets picked up at your property.
That's insane about the bottle deposits. Alum cans are $.60 and #1 plastic beverage is $.15.... people still trying to take them to California to try and make a quick buck. But it always ends bad for them. Lmafo
I'm kind of disappointed with the bottle bill here. It probably made sense when they started it back in the 1970's. It was $ .05 for a bottle or can ... $ .15 for a liquor or wine bottle. The redemption center made $ .03 as a "handling fee" on every bottle & can. That was a lot of money back then because the dollar was worth more.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobo finds
That three cents handling fee isn't much in this day and age. A lot of our redemption centers went bankrupt and closed because they couldn't make a profit. They increased it to six cents a bottle last year but that still isn't worth doing.
I think that's why the redemption center won't come and pick up our bottles anymore. We've got a whole building full packed to the rafters but it would cost a small fortune for them to come pick them up and sort them back at their shop. Figure a pickup truck towing a trailer and two men is easily $ 100.00/hr. in operating expense. Then there's all the time to sort the mess when they get em' all back to the redemption center. They're probably all moldy and nasty smelling from where they've been sitting in plastic bags for the past year and a half. Some jobs just aren't worth doing.
Really ... the most sensible thing for us to do would be to just load the whole mess into the trash compactor and be done with it. It's not working for us anymore.
There are different options here. A lot of people just bring their trash to the transfer station and toss it into the compactor. Sunday is our busiest day. That's when all the local working folks do their chores.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobo finds
Some people prefer to have their trash picked up at their home or place of business. We have a number of different private contractors that provide that service. That's a service that the customer pays for.
Some cities and towns here in Maine pay big companies like Waste Management to do curbside curbside pickup once or twice a week. It's paid for out of taxes.
It's kind of a mixed bag in the way we do things here in Maine. Personally ... i like the way we do things in my town. It makes it so that working people who may not have very much money in their pocket can get rid of their trash without it being a problem. The rich summer people with ten million dollar estates overlooking the ocean pick up the lion's share of the tax local burden here.
We have a start up company that is setting up in town that will take plastic that can't go into our blue bins, film and small items that would fall thru the MRF process. They make plastic building bricks 29 pounds each. It's called Byfusion. The city is also trying to divert the glass from the MRF as it cost them, so they have drop off bins for glass to be repurposed. We also do 12 household Hazzard waste sites through the city, one in a different spot 1 day a month. And you can take it to a area at the landfill every day at no charge as long as you live in the city.
20 pound block that is. I think it would be better to do waste to energy and burn that plastic
Up until about 18 months ago .... we always sent our trash to a waste to energy incinerator. It had a pretty good environmental record. The reason it closed was because it had been in operation for 35 years and everything there had worn out. The future of the plant is a bit uncertain but the new owners claim that they are rebuilding the plant with the intention of using the new pyrolitic incineration process. It's hard to say. On the one hand it may be the real deal. On the other hand .... it may just be another scam.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobo finds
Here in Maine ... they have been using recycled plastics to make decking and trim boards for the outside of buildings for ten or fifteen years now. It's kind of expensive to buy but i liked working with it. It's a durable and low maintenance building material. I wouldn't have any problem recommending it.