What does everybody think about the recycling fee?
Judge Tosses Out Vizio's Challenge to State's Recycling Fee Law | Connecticut Law Tribune
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What does everybody think about the recycling fee?
Judge Tosses Out Vizio's Challenge to State's Recycling Fee Law | Connecticut Law Tribune
I don't think about it very much at all. Now that you ask I may. Not to get political but I am very Libertarian and want much less government involved in everything.
So when a product is at the end of life because its outdated, broken or just not the right color it is tossed in the land fill or recycled or (best) used by someone else.
To the cost of recycling of those items ends up being paid by either the purchaser because of the "fee" charged by the local, state, federal government or by the taxpayer(buyer are also tax payers).
Looking through my prism of life NO company/manufacture pays any taxes and no fees. Only consumers and human taxpayers pay taxes and fees.
The government gathers the fees and spends the money to higher and equip the recycling of these items. Well they were going to do that anyway.
The fee adds another layer of government regs and government personnel to enforce the collection of the fees.
Further the fees do target the consumers of these items and as far as I can see has to be the only benefit. Some will suggest that the fees represent additional income to the government to cover the cost of recycling the items. Well I guess the government can and always has just upped the taxes "adjusted" valuations of real estate to increase taxes.
To me this sounds like a great thing for a politician to hang his/her hat on. "I was for the fee, we are recycling, those companies who are responsible for producing this material are now paying for their fair share of the cost to recycle".
So no I certainly do not KNOW for certain this is good or bad. 73, Mike
I think many folks view the State of Maine as being rather backward but we're really out there on the bleeding edge of the progressive movement. Never really appreciated it till i started comparing how we do things to the way things are done in other parts of the country. A lot of the recycling stuff is just standard operating procedure for us and has been for years.
As someone with Libertarian leanings i'm not sure how i feel about us trending so far left but it is what is. Positive progress forward isn't necessarily a bad thing.
We've had that thing where the manufacturers pay a certain fee to sell televisions in our state for a while now. Not sure of the details but i believe it's helping to fund our CRT & electronics recycling program. As nearly as i can tell it seems to be working okay. It makes it financially viable for the larger e-waste recyclers to deal in proper CRT disposal ?
Ayn Rand surely wouldn't be happy. She warned against government and private industry getting into cahoots with each other. Artificially propping up any sector of business runs counter to the principle of a free market.
On the other hand ... there's the virtue of selfishness. The consumer (indirectly)ends up bearing the cost of proper disposal of their property at it's end of life whether they like it or not.
Still trying to figure out where crts are being properly recycled
Me too. MikeQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
Whew .... if you have a little bit of time this would give you some insight as to how the e-waste is handled here. ( It's a pretty well developed program that was launched back in 2004. )
Electronics Recycling, Waste Management, Maine Department of Environmental Protection
Guidelines for the Environmentally Sound Management of E-Waste , Bureau of Remediation and Waste Management, Maine Department of Environmental Protection
Here is a email to a webinar about CRT end markets. It is the 2nd of two, but still should be informative.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
CRTs: What Can Be Done?? – Meet Some of the End Markets: Part 2
Here is a list of the presenters in part 1:
JJ Santos, International WEEE Manager, Camacho Recycling, Spain
Rich Hipp, President and CEO, Kuusakoski Recycling, Plainfield, Illinois
Tom Bolon, CEO, Novotec Recycling, Columbus, Ohio
Simon Greer, Owner and Founder, NuLife Glass, Dunkirk, New York
These companies may not take small shipments, but you can look for recyclers that use them.
looks to me like exportation or a holding center are the current options.......
This is a little vague but it spotlights one of our larger e waste processors.
Welcome to eWaste Recycling Solutions
Glass Processing
Nearly as i can tell landfilling the crt glass is not being done. Looks like they're processing the CRT's and then shipping the glass off to a furnace.
Here is another video that takes it a bit further
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhX-baskqG4
I have seen all the videos claims of furnaces etc....if all this is happening then why are they finding holding warehouse of 90 million tons of material...seems strange to me
Because not everybody is doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
Mike:Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinreco
I've been trying to explain something but you seem to have your mind already made up. There's all this bad news about CRT recycling here on the forum lately. There are all these companies in the CRT recycling biz going belly up and leaving toxic waste all over the place.One would reasonably think that there's no way to make this work.
That simply isn't the case.
We've had what appears to be a financially workable system in place for close to ten years now. It's ease peezy. Doesn't matter if you have one or a hundred CRT's to get rid of. Just drop it off at the local municipal e-waste collection building.
When the building fills up we just call the big boy e-waste company that we contracted with. He shows up within a couple of days with a big (brand new) box truck and hauls it away for processing. That particular company even pays the town government a small amount at the end of the year. It's an income producer for us. It's not a burden on the taxpayer.
It all ties in with the first post. Don't know the particulars, but at first glance it looks like Connecticut might be running a program similar to ours.
I can even see why Vizio would challenge their recycling law. From what i'm seeing on the waste end their products don't last as long as some of the other brands. When i look in the recycling building there are all these "bubble backs" that are twenty or thirty years old and still working. The only reason they're there is because everyone is going to flat screen tv's. Of the flat screens that are coming in ... a good 1/3 to 1/2 are Vizios.
If the manufacturer has to pay for disposal cost at end of life like they do with our system .... that's gonna be a major operating expense. They might decide that it's in their best interest to make a better product.