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Looking at buying a can densifier . Was wondering about brands to stay away from . What brands are good? I am looking at shipping 40000 lbs at a time. To get a better price. So a cardboard baler will not work . Have been using a flattener blower. Would buy a baler if I could find one . But do not want to spend 250000 or more
on a new one.
Wish I could help, but you are beyond my capabilities. Good luck to you.
I'll see what our town uses if that helps you at all. I know they bale cans, but that's about it.
Sadly, my knowledge on balers only applies to Massey Ferguson. You're out of my element there.
Most normal balers only make 500 to 600 pound bales of aluminum cans. If you get a vertical then needs to be a full stroke with a lot of pressure. Off the top of my head don't know of one that does 1000 pounds bales.
Harmony balers makes a vertical baler that produces a 900 to 1000 lbs bale. It is over 50000. I was wondering about a horizontal balers.
I like my Load King, but I haven't used it for UBC. It is a 60" bale with cardboard bales around 900lbs when it trips the full button.
Is that weight for aluminum or for cardboard? Also, how much aluminum cans do you produce in a year? That would help decide on how much to spend.Quote:
Originally Posted by missouri
if you are only doing
Taylor Machinery Corporation » RD 16 Stationary Aluminum Can Densifier
Sweet machine works great, ask your buyer if there is any concerns about bundles, once in a blue moon you find someone that does not want them, But I Highly endorse this machine for volume reduction it actually works better then an HRB for cans
V/r HT1
P.S. buy the stacker it's worth it
bpatoe The harmony baler is rated at 900 to 1000 on ubc.
HT1 How long have you been using it?
couple yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by missouri
Buddy has Taylor, works great! He had to retro hopper to hold more cans. Moisture content is key(briquettes density). Make sure you don't get complaisant with debris . one bad bail can get entire load rejected. Double freight, plus correcting problematic bales will kill you!
Only issue I've seen is crushed cans. We would mix crushed cans with loose cans, otherwise briquette sometimes falls apart upon discharge.
We are currently using a flattener blower . Never had a complaint. Been handling cans for almost 20 years. Just time to change . To help the bottom line.
Ok lets get really deep in the logistics of shipping cans. Flats are the best Lb's way to go, problem is they completely tie up a trailer
bales from an HRB are about (give or take by brand) 64x29x48+/- and 1200Lb
the taylor RB16 makes 36, 35 Lb blocks that fit perfect on a pallet, for 1260 Lbs
but here is the deal when you load the pallets of blocks on a truck you get 4 in the same footprint as you would get 3 bales
so say you are loading a 40Ft export container you could load 40 pallets of blocks or 50400 Lb... of HRB bales you would load 30 bales or 37800 Lbs
if all you intend to do is UBC go for a block machine if you need something for multiple material consider an HRB...
V/r HT1
P.S. there are downstroke balers that make nice UBC bales T60XDRC - Harmony I installed a T60 in Hawaii, it was a dream, but it still only makes about a 1000 Lb bale of dry cans, the rear belt feed is nice if you have the equipment(self dumping hoppers) to use it we built a beautiful catwalk around it that even the engineers from Harmony raved about. but still for straight UBC the RD16 is perfect in my opinion
I have to install a pressure gauge on our baler. I suspect it is not ramping to the correct pressure, The first bale I made with it was 880 lbs and the baler never tripped the full light. This last time it had apparently tripped the full light 6 or 7 strokes before I stopped it and the bale while appearing dense was only 900. Our cylinder is 8 inch (big) which is supposed to create a 108k lb downforce according to the spec sheet.
I know it will not stroke all the way down but if it's hitting with all 108k lbs (verifiable by pressure) it should make a 1750lb UBC bale based on comparing briquette size/weight to ram size and pressure of their system and account for some efficiency loss due to overall size.
The other side of this... a standard down stroke baler could be modified with an insert that reduces the impactive footprint. I've thought about building a 14x20x12" briquette maker just for giggles...and because I don't want any large quantity UBC in the shop... that would mean we could build pallets 3x2 and 4 high. and with 108k of force...should produce bricks we can still lift. Better yet, if the insert has its own enjection (it could) then it just means alot of baler use to fill the bricks...but even then...not really because our baler strokes something like 60 inches. so you have a 40+ inch column of UBC to fill with each stroke.
WOW... Just WOW!!! what are you running, because I did not think a 1700Lb bale was possible... unless the cans are soaking in liquidQuote:
Originally Posted by armygreywolf
V/r HT1
Actually I did some math and research, with a 40x52x84 bale at 17Lbs/Ft you would have a 1717Lb bale so if you get a 1750Lb bale you are exceeding the ISRI Taldon spec for max compression
Again . that is a beast of a baler
Can you stack the densified can pallet on top over each other? I was looking at spec for Aloca and it look like they wanted them single stacked. Bales could be stacked not the densified biscuits. They want a pallet of biscuits to weight 2500. If I am reading it right.
you cannot stack bundles on a domestic truck because you will overload it massively there are 26, 4X4 spots on a 53 ft truck max load 43500 that means 1673 Lbs per pallet max to avoid overloading the truck.Quote:
Originally Posted by missouri
as to the no pallets they say right in the spec they will deduct for the pallets, and must be forklift transportable, you try to fork pinch bundles you are risking a mess. written specs are always negotiable anyway. if you are exporting or using intermodal you only have 20, 4 X 4 spots so you really want those bad boys heavier or double stacked.... but if you double stack and they fall over you will get the load back
V/r HT1
baler oem specs 54 ton. its a 60", weighs around 6,000 lbs in the corner of our shop. Its extremely impressive with what it can do. We have crushed empty computer cases with it, mixed results until you realize it'll crush about 90 cases down to bale size. I dunno if it's baler pornography but I'll upload a video to youtube for you guys next time I'm at the shop.