2small questions away from completion

First i would like to say i have been scrapping sence i was old enough to hold a screwdriver (literly) and have always found or figured. Out what i needed to know but i am stumped when it comes to certain. Aspects of chemistry in scraping so i have 2 questions that will completely open my understanding of it . first can you dump whole scrap boards ect in to aqua rigia after incinerating? And exstract just the silver platinum gold ect. And if so for purity reasons would there be a order of exstraction? Because of the dif in metal weight? Like siver first then plat ect? Thanks in advance folks!

The gold refining forum would be the place to ask these questions.

We are a scrapping forum, not a refining forum. Like Ohio Scrapper said, the GRF is the place with all the answers when it comes to that.
There is a lot of precise steps involved not to mention the safety concerns for you and the family. Do some reading over there before you just jump in and start asking questions. Good luck to ya.

IF you want to TRY to do this (and read some of the other threads about this for advise...HINT- you can KILL yourself EASILY or hurt yourself really badly....like burn your lungs up....you can cause an explosion and really unless you KNOW what you are doing and do it many times, you will not get anywhere near the % of precious metals you need to...you will leave a ton of it still in there) then go to the gold refining forum and READ READ READ BEFORE YOU ASK ANY QUESTIONS...they apparently are a testy bunch. ;)

Really, just sell your stuff to people that do it in mass, professionally...you will end up losing a ton of money and not get the amount of metals (percentagewise) that makes sense). DO NOT youtube this and get yourself really hurt.

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Originally Posted by Ohio Scrapper

The gold refining forum would be the place to ask these questions.

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Noooo, it wouldn't.......... Trust me...

Honestly, I think we should not refer to GRF at all. They get people wanting 'the info' every day. And it is just not that simple to do.
You need to be a business with all the knowledge and paperwork and a huge supply of escrap to even bother starting the process of using acids etc.
We all know that a 'guy in a garage' is never going to break even when it comes to Gold refining.
There's just too much to learn, and some of that learning is things that nobody can teach you, ever, you have to 'talk the talk' before you can even crawl in this business.
And there's so much investment needed, its not something you can do with some glass beakers and a few litres of store brought Acids and a fish pump from a yard sale.
And even then, time wise, they are not going to profit after expenses and then add in the time it takes, the factual percentage of cockups plus the health aspect and knowing that for every 10 who try, x amount is going to really hurt themselves, and others.

Even after that, they can get only, and this is if they get anything at all, a 50% yeald.
Plus, a computers got Gold in very small amounts, in many places, its not just 'One process', its 15 processes, each different from the other.
That's 15 times the amount of learning and a 15000% more chance of effectively killing themselves.

While NZ has a 'free hospital system' and actually encourages us to do stoopid stuff by giving us money afterwards.
America has not.
It potentially can cripple someone for life, and fines that simply cannot be afforded by the average Joe Dirt.
This has a run on effect to the family and future of far too many people.

All it takes is a is a simple, 'bump' and a glass vessel is smashed and acids spilled everywhere. I can guarantee that's going to happen. 100%.
You know it will happen too.
Its just the amount of acid, its temperature and where it falls that's going to make a difference to the result.

Then, even at the end of the day, if Gold has been gained. Its not worth anything to people. Nobody's going to pay Gold prices for a small lump of Goldish coloured metal, without knowing what's in it, and would you trust someone to tell you what's in it?
And let them set the price?
After a 50% loss in actual Gold return, they are not going to pay you more than 60% of its value.
"It still has to be refined" = another process someone in a business has to do, before they get the Gold.
So, maybe, if lucky, you might get paid for 30%, or less, of the actual Gold that was in there.
And don't even bother talking about the other PM's that are in there, that's another 15 processes.... For a miniscule amount of metal.

I always think of the guy on that forum who did some experiments at home, after a few days noticed a distinctive rust.
He checked his 4 yr old car, noticed the same rust, and sold it within days at a $3000 loss just because he knew that in a few months its possibly going to be worth nothing as rust will have eaten it away.

The best way to make $, or Gold, from escrap is to get as much of it as possible, clean it down properly and sort it properly, pack it up and take it to a escrap buyer.
We have some good ones on this site here, fellow escrappers of the Golden guild.
And sell it to them. Get the ca$h in the hand, that's what you want in the end. Job done.

If you want actual Gold....
Use the ca$h to buy actual 99.99% fine Gold in a solid, redeemable at face value ca$h guaranteed Billet of shiney producable 100% impressive, minted, never seen or felt before, solid heavy slab of GOLD!

So what if its not the same preice of Gold that was in your escrap. That Gold there contains Gold from every place on earth, that was mined last week, last year, last century, last minellium, and the one before that.
It contains Aztek Gold, Russian Gold, Aussie Gold, Chinese Gold, American Gold, and even a fraction of Kiwi Gold!

And what did it take to get it? Well less work than mowing lawns, and less danger too.
Hmm, get some old computers, hmm, unscrew them cases, um, spray with a hose and some detergent, yup, unscrew the rest of the screws.
Pile them up in similar piles, take them to the guy who will give you American $$$, or Gold.. For them.

And, the actual Gold return will be far better, and far less dangerous, and far more rewarding than anything you can get even after learning everything you need to know, and brought everything you need to buy to process it yourself.

The fact is, at home its a 50% return if you actually do get Gold. A refiner will pay you much more than this without any of the work and time or danger.They can get up to 95% of the Gold, even more. They also get the PM's (Precious Metals) that you cannot get yourself.
And, they also get the Silver from the solder and the Copper from the tracks. Just those probably cover their expenses because they do it by the Ton and recycle their acids etc. Safetly.

After all this, you know what to do now. Find, save, separate, store, sell. Buy solid Gold bars.
Impress people, in the end its the same Gold that's in the escrap.

Now, if you do want to get at least a token amount of Gold, to say that "I extracted this Gold from computers myself".
Cut off the chips from low grade boards, sand off the legs. Put them in a coffee tin or such till its full, put a small hole in that and put it on a fire.
This burns off the plastic. Once that's done, yes its a dirty smelly job..
Sieve the larger metal parts from the ash and Gold wires with a sieve , or a microwave door.
Use a actual Gold pan and some soapy water to 'pan out' the heavy Gold wires and melt that in a crucible to get a small bright showy lump of reclaimed Gold.
Drill a hole in it and wear it around your neck, impress people.

Welcome to the forum. There's a lot of great information here about scrapping but not about refining.



From the forum rules

Our Stance on Refining Topics - DANGEROUS

I wanted to make a sticky in here about our rules regarding precious metal refining. I don't believe there was ever a clear thread or notice regarding this so I'm posting one now.

First and foremost - Refining involves chemicals and processes that can KILL you. Refining is DANGEROUS. That is not to be taken lightly, trying to refine, without knowing what you're doing, can KILL YOU and OTHERS AROUND YOU.

This forum is not the place to become knowledgeable about, or to educate others about the details on how to refine precious metals.

We don't want discussions starting here with detailed posts about how to refine, the mixture of chemicals, how to or not to be safe about it. This is not the place for that type of discussion, refining is an entirely different trade from "Scrapping".

Detailed postings regarding the refining process have always been and will be continue to be removed when they come up. Again this is serious stuff and this forum is not the place to learn or teach these things.

If you want to learn about, or talk about gold refining (or the refining of other precious metals) please visit the Gold Refining Forum 'GRF'.
GOLD REFINING FORUM - GOLD REFINERS HELPING ONE ANOTHER

Thanks!

Full article at Scrap Metal Forum: http://www.scrapmetalforum.com/scrap...#ixzz3uTcIKks3

I am 100% sure GRF don't want them going there either.

And 200% sure they do not want us referring them to GRF......

I like the idea of telling the newbs its dangerous and they won't find any info about using acids on metals that are any stronger than vinegar.

And if they want to actually get Gold, how to prepare computers etc for escrap and a rough idea on how much they can make from, say 50 computers, by selling it as escrap.
A proper breakdown of value of 50 random computers.

I know if some was wanting to learn, 50 computers is not enough to refine themselves and then there's all the different processes they have to do.
Even the physical work makes it unprofitable to refine at home. Too much work, to many processes and too little source material to make it worthwhile.
They are not going to reclaim the Silver in the solder or the Copper tracks. So its off to a bad start.....
That's now polluted waste material and what is a virgin refiner going to do with all that waste?

A proper escrap refiner will buy, and profit off just that waste material. The prime reason why any of us is doing scrap metal is the environmental aspect.
We are actually profiting off the environmental laws and reasons.
If the environment and pollution were not taken into account we would never recycle as we could never compete with the big metal producers.

If someone does want to get actual Gold from escrap, tell them 'Patnors method' and since it does not involve acids, its safe and within our guidelines.
The chips can be taken from low grade or damaged boards. Everything else that they get can go to a escrap buyer, for ca$h.
It will satisfy most peoples thirst of knowledge and once they learn that 'its not all that it seems' they get the golden info on 'how to really profit and do it'.

Plus, they can still show the little round dollop of real Gold they got from patnors method. Which, is a proper sideline to amassing escrap.
You can sell the chips, or reclaim the Gold from them. Just don't try refining it from it, its not worth it.

And, hell we are supposed to support each other, do that in health, wealth and happiness. Sell your escrap to a SMF escrap buyer.

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I am 100% sure GRF don't want them going there either.

And 200% sure they do not want us referring them to GRF......

I like the idea of telling the newbs its dangerous and they won't find any info about using acids on metals that are any stronger than vinegar.

And if they want to actually get Gold, how to prepare computers etc for escrap and a rough idea on how much they can make from, say 50 computers, by selling it as escrap.
A proper breakdown of value of 50 random computers.

I know if some was wanting to learn, 50 computers is not enough to refine themselves and then there's all the different processes they have to do.
Even the physical work makes it unprofitable to refine at home. Too much work, to many processes and too little source material to make it worthwhile.
They are not going to reclaim the Silver in the solder or the Copper tracks. So its off to a bad start.....
That's now polluted waste material and what is a virgin refiner going to do with all that waste?

A proper escrap refiner will buy, and profit off just that waste material. The prime reason why any of us is doing scrap metal is the environmental aspect.
We are actually profiting off the environmental laws and reasons.
If the environment and pollution were not taken into account we would never recycle as we could never compete with the big metal producers.

If someone does want to get actual Gold from escrap, tell them 'Patnors method' and since it does not involve acids, its safe and within our guidelines.
The chips can be taken from low grade or damaged boards. Everything else that they get can go to a escrap buyer, for ca$h.
It will satisfy most peoples thirst of knowledge and once they learn that 'its not all that it seems' they get the golden info on 'how to really profit and do it'.

Plus, they can still show the little round dollop of real Gold they got from patnors method. Which, is a proper sideline to amassing escrap.
You can sell the chips, or reclaim the Gold from them. Just don't try refining it from it, its not worth it.

And, hell we are supposed to support each other, do that in health, wealth and happiness. Sell your escrap to a SMF escrap buyer.

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I agree with most of what you said, however, what I posted was copied straight from the forum rules.

Not my words but the Admins.

I think eesakiwi's post should be a sticky on gold refining. Very well said!

Ok thanks for the encouragement folks. way to assume that someone is doing this with 100 or so pounds of ewaste. i actually have around 3 1/2 Ton of gold bearing scrap from cell phones pc's gov wifi satallites ect . and i am not in it for just gold an ect. I stated that i have been doing all levels of scraping my whole life i do it for pure knowledge an curiosity the money is a bonus. And I do read these forums i just could not find the exact question i asked. I do research daily Literally hours an hours of learning ( i love it) but as for the danger aspect i spent 3 weeks reading an watching reports and vids about what could an has gone wrong while using acids. I also should add i am autistic but have a IQ of 127 im far from stupid i just dont do well with knowing how to communicate my questions. Thanks and sorry

Also i would like to add that refining is part of scrapping for me. it starts when i find or acquire scrap take each lil piece apart organize it and classify it then you leach each pm out to get what you want ie start to finish scrapping. An yes in one year aside from my full time job i dismantled 3 1/2 ton of scrap (and learned what each piece is and does ) im no novice!

Goodstuff, have you been over to the Gold Refining Forum? When I first started scrapping I became a member at the GRF before I was a member here. I read all of the forum rules there, introduced myself and received a very warm welcome. That was the only post I made and after that I began reading posts on the forum for several weeks. There is so much great info on that subject and I soon realized that that was not for me. That's why I'm a member here. I'm satisfied with selling the scrap I get and letting someone else deal with the circuit boards.

We 'reclaim metals' here. We do not 'refine' them at all.

'Patnors method' is 'reclaiming' not refining. Just like on a riverbank with a Gold pan, but at home.

Can we introduce the general idea of not referring people over to GRF? I think they would appreciate it.
Anyone who's gone big enough to actually do refining will end up there anyway.

And anyone from here should be advised that 'Patnors method' is the only thing we do in the way of reclaiming Gold except for natural wilderness Gold, which is the same process anyway.
And that its cheaper and far far safer to just get escrap and sell it to a buyer, preferably from here.

Oh, weighed a RAM stick last night, average weight is 18 grams.

Have you thought of finding a processor and split the recovery?

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Originally Posted by eesakiwi

We 'reclaim metals' here. We do not 'refine' them at all.

'Patnors method' is 'reclaiming' not refining. Just like on a riverbank with a Gold pan, but at home.

Can we introduce the general idea of not referring people over to GRF? I think they would appreciate it.
Anyone who's gone big enough to actually do refining will end up there anyway.

And anyone from here should be advised that 'Patnors method' is the only thing we do in the way of reclaiming Gold except for natural wilderness Gold, which is the same process anyway.
And that its cheaper and far far safer to just get escrap and sell it to a buyer, preferably from here.

Oh, weighed a RAM stick last night, average weight is 18 grams.

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If you have a problem with me referring someone to the GRF then you have a problem with the ADMIN here on the SMF because, like I said, their words not mine. I do agree with the Admin on refining and also referring people to the GRF and will continue to do so unless the Admin here has a problem with it.

It sounds like the GRF might be a great place for Goodstuff to check out. I would advise him to sign up, read ALL of the forum rules, introduce himself and let the members know that he is interested in learning about refining but not to ask questions right off the bat. After that he needs to read read read and then read a lot more. If he does that, he should be alright. If he goes there and immediately ask the same questions he asked here then everybody knows what's going to happen.