Gun powder and more

Back when I first started I used to casually find loaded shot gun shell bullets plenty of times
I was a good little citizen and turn them into the police . Some of the police that see me curb hunt
know i'm the one that turns in bullets . Once I turned in sheriff issued items that they kept for that reason

Well a recent find is some 22 caliber copper - 2 small cans of gun powder & 8 packages of winchester shot gun cartridges starters
so I started to wonder the police or hoard away as if it were silver . The SHTF scenario the value is clear
even though I feel SHTF is a long shot but who knows any more with what is going on in the world.

I also found a 22 rifle that loads 1 at a time but it needs a stock other wise it looks functional . Just for the record guns laws in PA
are easy going . Pistols are legal along with a No Flee from property law .Lots of hunters Guns a plenty.

Sell the stuff,

picture of the rifle if you can, if not make and model (should be on barrel)... some of those old single shot .22 go for a good bit of money.

I had a big baggie (gallon sized) about half full of .38 - .357 - 45 - empty cartridges and one box of reloaded .45's and a reloader friend of mine gave me 50 bucks for it. Check with the reloaders. And the rifle, check online for a pattern for a new stock, scrounge some nice wood and make you a new stock for it. I used to love going "plunking" with a .22 out thru the woods.

I've had mixed results with "found" firearms. It' just a piece of machinery. If you find one it's more likely that it's worn out or isn't working right.

Had a .22 single shot that i restored but the sights were off. When i went to adjust them the front site broke off.

There was a 12 ga. pump but it needed a few repair parts. The gun was so old that you couldn't get parts for it anymore.

There was a 28 Ga. single shot that worked allright but it was such an oddball gauge that it was hard to find ammo for.

It was definitely worth the attempt in all three cases if only for the experience. The 12 ga. i eventually destroyed. The other two got donated to a charitable fundraiser.

The thing about a firearm is that it's got to work flawlessly. The only thing worse than finding yourself unarmed in a " situation " is having a gun that failed to work when you really needed it. Old ammo ...old powder ... old primers ? Would you stake your life on em' ? Even worse .... in a SHTF scenario ?

Just something a cop taught me awhile back. Figured i'd pass it along.

bulletts and brass are as good as money in the bank ....in my area they sell really well......there is a site called gun broker,,,i have 2 friends who use it daily.....ive not tried it yet but i plan to in the future....the way i understand it is basicaly ebay for guns and gun related stuff.....i also understand that you do not need any liscenses to sell bullets or powder on there...as long as you are not selling the receiver part of a gun,,you can use it just like ebay with no extra paper required.......

i am not positive about that ,,it is just what i was told ,,so one would need to research it further

SO has a newer .22 single shot (interchangeable barrel)...sweet shooting little rifle.

Just finding the ammo to shoot the thing with anymore is the hard part....22 shells fly off the shelf 15 minutes after they come in around here.

What's driving the shortage of 22 ammo? Its not like its a military caliber or something....

Jon.

The thought to turn in dumpster diving found ammo to the cops never would have crossed my mind...

What's causing the run on .22 ammo?? Lots of theories and probably pieces and parts of them all. What I say here is all hearsay so take it with some salt but here we go 1) lead is tough to get a hold of nowadays as the EPA has closed down the last American lead smelter until they refit to new emissions and handling standards (this is what I've heard). 2) The current administration has made importing either raw foreign made lead and/or foreign manufactured ammo tougher to do--I've heard stuff sitting in containers at ports for months on end, 3) people are just plain hording the stuff either for SHTF type of situation or to sell it high than retail at some point. Probably others things involved as well. I've heard CCI is running 24/7 making .22 ammo

But all I know is when I stop every few weeks at the nearest Wally World there's no .22 LR on the shelves...

OK, here's another theory I forgot about. Supposedly the feds had some massive ammo buy (like hundreds of millions of .40 S&W rounds) that manufacturers had (have) a hard time getting any left over lead. So, a number of these theories have a lead shortage theme. But if these are true and CCI is running around the clock cranking out .22s, that doesn't seem to jive together if they can find lead. Personally, I think there are a number of factors including massive amounts of individual hording. Lots of Americans don't think the future is that bright...

Sounds like once a month to just buy some .22 would be as good a investment as silver .

I think the USA is so massive in size and many Americans are armed
ISIS and the like ( our most recent threat ) can cause problems
but can't really take all citizens on

There are forums with thousands of guys and girls who love to buy .22 rifles. even if it is just a parts gun you might have one that's hard to get parts for. there are also many gun parts sites that will buy junkers (if it is) Numrich comes to mind.
gun broker gives you more people like ebay, but forums and private sales will net "you" more profit but it is a good site I have bought and sold over there.
whatever you decide to do a little research into the rifle before you decide. fix it up, sell it whole, part it out... choices are good.
Mechs advise is great. find a re-loader they will pay well above scrap for powder, primers, bullets, casings ext

.22 is on a high point. not a good time to buy as an investment IMO

American Hunters are the largest armed force in the world. now add all the other Americans that own guns Army, police, civilians.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy

The rifle is a kids size , it's a odd design . First you need pull back the trigger lever ,
then the hammer I figure it's called But the hammer has a hole on the side
that you need some kind or pin tool to pull back and shut to allow the loading of the one round.
pull trigger and lever smacks into that hammer with hole on side
Trigger spring seems strong but rusty .

That sounds like it may be what's called a rolling block. If it is it's pretty old. On those, the block (front piece that goes right behind the cartridge) has a firing pin and spring inside. When struck, the pin can move forward and strike the primer.

I have a couple of these including one youth model. One of mine is a Stevens Favorite and the other is a Remington. If you can find the make and model, you probably have a good chance at getting a stock for it.

I could be wrong though and don't profess to be an expert. There are so many different actions made that its crazy.

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Originally Posted by DakotaRog

The thought to turn in dumpster diving found ammo to the cops never would have crossed my mind...

What's causing the run on .22 ammo?? Lots of theories and probably pieces and parts of them all. What I say here is all hearsay so take it with some salt but here we go 1) lead is tough to get a hold of nowadays as the EPA has closed down the last American lead smelter until they refit to new emissions and handling standards (this is what I've heard). 2) The current administration has made importing either raw foreign made lead and/or foreign manufactured ammo tougher to do--I've heard stuff sitting in containers at ports for months on end, 3) people are just plain hording the stuff either for SHTF type of situation or to sell it high than retail at some point. Probably others things involved as well. I've heard CCI is running 24/7 making .22 ammo

But all I know is when I stop every few weeks at the nearest Wally World there's no .22 LR on the shelves...

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I hope it doesn't turn out to be a case of frog soup;

If you toss a frog into a pot of boiling water he will hop right out. It you put him in a pot of cool water and slowly turn up the heat he will happily swim about until the slow buildup of heat takes him out.

Same/same with gun control. They could pass a law telling people that they had to turn in their guns but it would never play. On the other hand you could chip away at gun ownership by gradually diminishing the supply of fresh ammo.

The end result would be the same.

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Originally Posted by Scrappah

I hope it doesn't turn out to be a case of frog soup;

If you toss a frog into a pot of boiling water he will hop right out. It you put him in a pot of cool water and slowly turn up the heat he will happily swim about until the slow buildup of heat takes him out.

Same/same with gun control. They could pass a law telling people that they had to turn in their guns but it would never play. On the other hand you could chip away at gun ownership by gradually diminishing the supply of fresh ammo.

The end result would be the same.

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Haha
yup or do like everyone else and get it from over seas... yeah it's junk.. hot rounds, duds, and loose seating of bullet... but available at a click of a button.
supply and demand.. If we won't make it and stock it, someone else will.

Yeah .... but if we go that route it turns into a cat and mouse game with the fed. It just makes things worse.

The problem seems to be a wrinkle in the supply chain. It appears that for whatever reason the government is the root cause.

Why not go about fixing the problem ?

Peeps here import tracer ammo from Latiava or someplace. ,308 ammo
Tracer ammo has a shorter shelf life, they remove the tracer and replace it with a different projetile depending on what they do with it.

Its military brass so its not possible to reload without fixing the primer hole.

Funny--I thought tracer ammo just had a bit of magnesium or phosphorus tacked to the base of the bullet. (Whatever metal burns when heated enough).

Didn't think that had a shelf life any different or shorter than that of the chemicals in the primer or gunpowder.

But then again, I found that the military assigns a shelf life to tires--and out the door they go once that life is reached, regardless if they have been used or not. I'm fine with that--got some skookum tires for my forwarder for 100$ each.

Tracer rounds are a blast...but I guess they can be a heck of a fire hazard in dry countryside.

Jon.

that really does sound like an old rolling block,,,,it could be worth some money.....some of those old rolling block guns bring huge dollars,,,some are not as valuable, just like anything else....guns have went up in price so much in the last few years it is insane......