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    Hills, Your last 2 posts had me laughing good as it reminded me of the Sci-Fi folks talking their talk.

    You haven't a clue about the inner mind vs the outer world.

    You are still doing your best to avoid the questions I ask as it's like telling a 4 year old that santa, the easter bunny and the tooth fairy are just made up illusions.



    I suppose that the presents under the tree and the full socks hanging on the mantel are scientific proof that santa is real?

    I have been analyzing this world all my life.

    I view myself as a little clay pot full of thoughts. I don't think about ways to try and leave the little clay pot behind as i don't find it comfortable. I find ways to make it work for me as I realize that I'm here until I die.

    The whole world is connected in many ways. I could tell you things that I have experienced that would have you thinking I was telling fibs.

    If we seek it we will most likely find it, but if we are waiting for some superstitious event going through our rituals we will only become more confused.

    Because most 4 year olds believe that santa is real within their minds doesn't make it so beyond their beliefs.

    I find religion and science on much the same level in that there is a little truth and fact and a lot of theory and speculation in both.

    It's like a room full of drunks wanting to believe that there is something wrong with the sober person as they have a different view point.


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    I really don't have much more to offer you CD. Near as i can tell ... there really are no absolute truths. Best you can do is what you think is the most probable thing. Even at that ... you have to keep an open mind because something new might come along that will rock your world & turn everything upside down.

    I can see why you're hiding out in your little clay pot. That's what most people do. They cling tenaciously to their beliefs.

    You can offer a doorway but they will never step through.

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    My little clay pot is my human body and the thoughts within are just that, thoughts.

    I view most as trying to run away from themselves as they are not comfortable within their own skins as they want to become someone or something else that the odds of doing so are very slim.

    Look at gambling at casinos or playing the lotto. The odds of them being the BIG winner are basically posted and known for games of chance.

    There is much more I could say, but that would be futile.

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    Only got a couple of minutes this morning so i'll have to make it quick.

    I think that it all boils down to the meaning of life. Near as i can tell ... the only possible reason for us all being here is for the growth and development if the spirit within. It's that tiny little spark of the divine trapped within each of us that yearns to return to the source.

    Near as i can tell ... we're both getting near the end of days. Maybe we got another 20 years left ? What happens after that is anyone's guess. I suppose we will find out after we have passed through that doorway.

    I will say one thing ... it's only the spark that survives. All the rest ... that little clay pot and all the thoughts will cease to exist. It will be as though we never were.

    I think you gotta walk in two worlds. Fully immerse yourself in the mundane human experience. Additionally .... keep it all in context and remember that in the grand scheme of G-d & the cosmos .... none of this really matters.

    < chuckles > The dalhi llama walked into a burger joint ... stepped up to the counter and said ... " I'll have one with everything. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildhoodDream View Post

    You haven't a clue about the inner mind vs the outer world.

    The whole world is connected in many ways. I could tell you things that I have experienced that would have you thinking I was telling fibs.
    Ummmm ... with all of the talk of going deep within the mind and hitting the lottery ... i'm wondering if you might have discovered your connecting link.

    It's no big deal really. We all have that ability latent within us. It's mostly the noise of the outside world and our internal dialogue that isolates us from it.

    Can you open the sixth chakra at will ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hills View Post
    Ummmm ... with all of the talk of going deep within the mind and hitting the lottery ... i'm wondering if you might have discovered your connecting link.

    It's no big deal really. We all have that ability latent within us. It's mostly the noise of the outside world and our internal dialogue that isolates us from it.

    Can you open the sixth chakra at will ?
    There's much more to you than i had ever given credit.

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    Can you open the sixth chakra at will ?

    I looked up what it means and my answer would be yes.

    But I don't follow or believe in man made Gods. I follow what most others try and believe they are following.

    We are all connected and the earth is in a certain balance that keeps us alive until we die.

    Then what happens? We return to where we came from, simply put.

    Many choose to call it heaven, paradise or a dirt nap.

    This world is so caught up with the wrong things that most are distracted from what they believe they are seeking or what they will find.

    I wasn't always superstition free and in the past I tried to believe in things that you and most others do.

    I just grew up and learned to SEE just what is behind the facades and makes the world the way that it is.

    I have always thought with a more quantum type of viewpoint even before that was popular as it now is.

    This world and it's many societies are basically backwards in many ways.

    Most are not interested in the deeper problems that fantasy and fiction can cause.

    I could go on and on with how I now view this world, but that is not what you or most others are truly interested in.

    I'm not confused or wondering about my "death" that will come some day as I know that I AM part of the energy of life that never dies as it has escaped it's little clay pot and become free.

    Things like reincarnation are possible with the way this world shows it's secrets.

    When my body dies will I come back as another human or some other life form or maybe something as simple a pure water?

    Don't know the deep answers for that, but I have no worries about such things as I KNOW myself and have a deep understanding of how I fit in with this world.

    I have always been a very deep thinker seeking the truth that sets us free and I found more then I was looking for.

    Seek and you will find, or IT will find you if you open the door and pass through.

    Something that makes me different is that I have very little interest in fantasy and fictions that can cause problems that most deny.

    And the superstition and rituals I don't require as my mind is free enough of their blinders to see that things like santa are illusions as I figured out when I was about 4 years old.

    I have learned that the distractions of this world are many and that most choose wrongly simply put.

    I don't tell others not to believe in their God's and what ever else they might believe in as long as it is reasonable in a make believe reality sort of way because I realize that the world must go around and around and people are people and always have been.

    There is a little bit of truth in most everything, but most is just a grand illusion of what it could possibly be.

    The great illusion of money and power are what this world worships and tries to run on.

    The president of the United States is the commander and chief of the military and the military is what controls the people that get in the way of PROGRE$$ and "advancement".

    Simply put, I don't play make believe and pretend very well as it gets in the way of my "thinking". It's basically been that way my whole life.


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    Thought I would add this. When very young I would visit with the "winos" that would camp by the Mississippi river in Minneapolis. I remember what one told me when I asked what was the most valuable to have. He said that with wisdom I could have what ever I wanted, do whatever I wanted and be whatever I wanted to be.

    Still works for me.

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    I was thinking about WHY I spent as much time as I do by myself. Well first of all I'm only interested in quality visiting with others. I'm what might be called selectively social. In that I like to choose who I visit with most of the time.

    So anyway on to what this post is about. The people I know that I get on with nicely are so BU$Y these daze that they have little time to visit with me. It's not that they are not interested, it's that they are BU$Y trying to keep up with the lives they are trying to live.

    One guy that I used to visit with spends most of the time living in his car outside the "house" in a small town where he lives. He is in the car as the house has no water, heat beyond a portable LP heater, or electricity. He sits in his car when it's cold in the house and drinks his booze. I hear he has a drinking buddy that sometimes joins him. When I have ran into him in town he mostly mumbles as he is drunk and don't make sense.

    Another guy I know is so caught up in politics that it rules his life. He is a former Vietnam veteran. He was a helicopter pilot that flew ARVN troops into where they were wanted. That Vietnam experience messed him up for sure.

    There are others that I could tell you about that are not in such condition, but they are far from happy campers.

    This world is moving much faster then most can keep up with.

    and it's only going to get worse before it gets better.

    The anger and hate is eating up many as that is what they believe it takes to feel alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildhoodDream View Post
    Can you open the sixth chakra at will ?

    I looked up what it means and my answer would be yes.

    I follow what most others try and believe they are following.


    I have always thought with a more quantum type of viewpoint even before that was popular as it now is.

    Seek and you will find, or IT will find you if you open the door and pass through.

    This is all really interesting stuff ... all of it. I apologize that i had to pare it down a bit. It's a lot to talk about all at once.

    Okay ... so the sixth chakra makes sense. There are different names for it depending which language you speak but it's all pretty much the same thing.

    ( Let's go slowly and take one step at a time. )

    How about the idea of a "connecting link " of some kind ? Maybe you have a word for that in your own language ?

    Does that make sense to you in some way ? If so ... could you explain a little bit.
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    My so called sixth chakra is what I call "being in the groove".

    I spend a lot of my time thinking about my life and others I have met.

    Many that I visit with face to face or by some media means think that I had a bad childhood or hated my mother and such.

    I didn't spend a lot of time with my mother as she was a divorced single mom with 2 children. She worked as a waitress and was very good at it. I was taken away from her at a early age as she couldn't keep track of me as I was like a dog chasing a cat. I have never had any problems with what went on as I was a wanderer and free spirit as I never wanted the type of life that most seem to want. I was busy chasing my thoughts of what may be out there that I could find and discover.

    I had a great relationship with my mother until she died of cancer. I spent more time with her as we got older. I'm not what you would call a family man as that married with children concept never did interest me even once.

    I moved around with many relatives and others as they all had no idea what to do with me as I made them feel uncomfortable with the questions I would ask and the things I might say or do.

    I have always been after the same things since young. I have been distracted many times on my travels in life, but I learned much and met interesting people and visited interesting places.

    My main problem with this world and it's many societies is that there is to much anger and hatred that causes all the more confusion and hardship that need not be.

    Some animals are even acting weird and doing what is not normal to them.

    The environment is very poisoned and polluted with the effects of PROGRE$$ where the few make the CA$H and the many do the chores.



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    Again ... all good things CD but we do need to go very slowly.

    Okay ... so when " you're in the groove " .... do you feel as though you are connecting to something ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildhoodDream View Post


    My main problem with this world and it's many societies is that there is to much anger and hatred that causes all the more confusion and hardship that need not be.

    Some animals are even acting weird and doing what is not normal to them.

    The environment is very poisoned and polluted with the effects of PROGRE$$ where the few make the CA$H and the many do the chores.

    Some of the native Asian religions and new age traditions have a different explanation for what you are seeing. We need to get a few concepts down first though.

    1: The first concept is Animism.

    https://iep.utm.edu/animism/

    2: The second is the Gaia concept.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics...aia-hypothesis

    You might think of the world as a living & breathing global ecosystem which has a consciousness of sorts. ( I suspect you already know this anyway. )

    Try tapping into the Gaia next time you're in the groove and ask her if she will reveal why there is so much anger & hatred. Ask her why life is so busy. (She may or may not know.)

    I could explain why in mundane terms .... but it would be better if you could see it for yourself through direct knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hills View Post
    Again ... all good things CD but we do need to go very slowly.

    Okay ... so when " you're in the groove " .... do you feel as though you are connecting to something ?
    Things move along smoothly and connect in many ways simply put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hills View Post
    Some of the native Asian religions and new age traditions have a different explanation for what you are seeing. We need to get a few concepts down first though.

    1: The first concept is Animism.

    https://iep.utm.edu/animism/

    I had a quick peek and I don't put much thought in that direction. I don't believe that trees and waterfalls have spirits so to say. But I do believe that trees and water may have a "energy" of sorts. Maybe rocks could but I don't see it personally.

    2: The second is the Gaia concept.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics...aia-hypothesis

    You might think of the world as a living & breathing global ecosystem which has a consciousness of sorts. ( I suspect you already know this anyway. )

    Try tapping into the Gaia next time you're in the groove and ask her if she will reveal why there is so much anger & hatred. Ask her why life is so busy. (She may or may not know.)

    I could explain why in mundane terms .... but it would be better if you could see it for yourself through direct knowledge.
    I find most that I read of the Gaia concept to be popular fluff, but there is a bit of truth in it as with most things of this world.
    I don't believe in so called Gods, Goddesses and other such concepts. I view it as it is what it is and it's all connected.

    Superstition gets in the way of a clearer view and understanding for most.


    There is a bit of truth in most all. But most are more interested in the popular fluff then the deeper truths.

    As for anger and hatred. I already have a great understanding of WHY there is so much. My question is the deeper reasoning of WHY do people CHOOSE what they choose and try and place responsibility elsewhere.

    I have many ideas on it, but not the finer points.

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    We must also look at what is called time and that time is very mysterious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildhoodDream View Post
    I find most that I read of the Gaia concept to be popular fluff, but there is a bit of truth in it as with most things of this world.
    I don't believe in so called Gods, Goddesses and other such concepts. I view it as it is what it is and it's all connected.

    Superstition gets in the way of a clearer view and understanding for most.


    There is a bit of truth in most all. But most are more interested in the popular fluff then the deeper truths.

    As for anger and hatred. I already have a great understanding of WHY there is so much. My question is the deeper reasoning of WHY do people CHOOSE what they choose and try and place responsibility elsewhere.

    I have many ideas on it, but not the finer points.
    Okay ... in regard to the Gaia.

    I was talking with an advanced amamist many years ago. She said something interesting. Her view was that she was interacting with an entity with no discernible form. Giving it a face an a personality helps those at the beginner and intermediate levels of learning relate to it.

    When i say God ... the first thing that pops into most people's minds is an old man sitting on a throne in heaven. It's iconography.

    Something without discernible form could be any form you choose to ascribe to it. There's really no right or wrong to it. It's all legit.

    It's like the parable of the blind men and an elephant. ( It's just different aspects of the same thing. )

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

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    I dunno man ... just being forthright & honest ... you seem strongly opinionated to me.

    It's like your attitude is ... " I'm into the deep stuff so everybody else should be too". There must be something terribly wrong with a world that doesn't conform to the way i think it should be. I'm the only one that possesses the deeper truths. The rest are just blind fools.

    It kinda comes across that way ... ya know ?

    I'm pretty sure that direct knowledge is the only way you will be able to get the answers to your questions. Get in the groove and tap into your source. That's what will work best for you.
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    When I was a teenager, I 'planned' on being a geologist or mineralogist.
    Real life very rarely works out the way folks thinks it will.

    Now-a-days, I do what is necessary to pay the bills given the resources and skills I have available at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildhoodDream View Post
    We must also look at what is called time and that time is very mysterious.
    Is it time .... or the perception of time.

    I look at a red squirrel going a mile a minute. Everything is fast,fast,fast with that little creature. The passage of time for a squirrel would be very different from that of a 1000 year old redwood on which branches it darts about. The tree is ageless.

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    You should check out a movie/program called "what the bleep". It's about quantum science and mechanics.

    I have watched/listened to it, the whole thing once and have checked it out here and there a few times.

    If you haven't seen it you should check it out as you just might enjoy it and get a better idea of where I'm coming from.


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