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    What I have Learned from Hurricane Irma....

    I thought I would start a thread to deal specifically with my experience with hurricane Irma. I do not wish to imply that I am having some severe hardships, but I have had some serious issues. I am a bit of a survivalist and the preparations I have made have been tested fairly rigorously.

    I am going to use this as a bit of a scrap board to show and explain how and why things were done, how well they work, what I would do differently, answer any questions you may have, and field any comments or suggestions you may have. Please feel free to add any tips or ideas that you have that may help others. Perhaps in the future this could be a thread those in threatening positions can refer to. I may repeat some things I have said in other threads, but I wanted to gather info here.

    So, I think this first post will be about gas and generators and electricity.



    Our electricity has been out since Saturday night (it is currently Wed morning). Gas has been a problem. People are gabbing as much gas as they can because they are scared. The fact that much of the southern half of the state are fleeing is making matters worse. The have been times the THERE WAS NO GAS. My gas preps were satisfactory. I keep 50 gallons on hand.

    The way I made this prep works like this. Buy a five gallon container and put a "1" on it. The fact I garage sale has allowed me to accumulate pre-idiot gas containers that just pour out. There are ways to make the new idiot containers work better, though. When you fill up, fill the five gallon container you bought and put it away. Next month, buy another container (I like them all the same so they store neatly, but if you are an artist and like things different, by all means) and put a "2" on it. Fill that container when you fill up and put it next to the other. Next month, do it again and put a "3" on it. Some suggest 12 (that would give you a fuel storage of 60 gallons) so you can take a stored fiver and pour it in your tank when you fill up and then just replace the fuel in the container that you poured in the tank. Once they are all full, you are just paying to fill your tank because you are cycling the stored gas with new and keeping the stored fresh. I cycle a bit faster because I will pur one in rather than have to make a stop at the gas station when it is not necessary.

    When there was no gas, I simply poured gas into the tank of my car and used that when the gas stations were empty. As the supply returned, I would go and fill up and replace the gas I poured in the tank. What was a problem for others HAD NO EFFECT ON ME.

    Generators, too, were relatively painless because I purchased the gens at yard sales. I had three on hand. A 3,000 watt, a 6,000 watt, and a 10,000 watt. If interested I will tell how and why I bought them, but I was going to tell you how I keep them ready.

    The 3K I rarely use, It is small and relatively quiet. I have used it to work and when I do, I run it dry, I slide it under the shelf of my garage and there it sits (probably five or more years at this point). When I pulled it out the day before the storm to test it, it started on the second pull. The 3K would power the 5,000 BTU AC on the back porch, the refrigerator, an oxygen concentrator and several lights and chargers with no problem. I pulled a squid (a power line splitter you can get at Home Depot.... Yes, I got mine at a yard sale) and ran extension cords to the appliances I wanted to run. Had the outage been brief, that probably would have been the only gen I used.

    The 6K I am using to backfeed the house through the dryer plug. This is illegal to do, and dangerous to equipment and lives, so I am not going to tell you how to do it. It is running everything but the 220 circuits. It is, however, running the water pumps and doing okay. It is running out in front of the garage. I was considering putting the gen in the fenced yard and backfeed the shop line, but the shop is only 10ga four conductor and I would be far more concerned about the load it could handle over the load the 50amp dryer line could take.

    There were reports of gangs in the area stealing generators. This concerned me to the point I had to weigh the benefits of hiding the gen and using a less capable line or keeping it in front of the garage where it would be easier to steal. The garage won. This is what I did:



    I put the gen as close to the garage door down as I could get and doubled 3/16 steel cable six(?) times. The cable is nearly impossible to cut one at a time and multiple loose cables I thought would be secure. I looped them and drove a tapcon with a fender washer to keep it in place. You can see the lip of the garage door there between the anchor and the gen frame. If they want to try to hacksaw those cables around and 300 degree generator while it runs, you have a lot of moxie and a tolerance for heat and pain that surpasses mine. BUt, I also have emergency night lights that plug into outlets that will come on when the power fails when you have an outage. I tell customers and friends to plug these lights into the GFI outlet in the garage they plug there extra firde or freezer into so the light will come on when the GFI trips. It will let them know that the power is off to their freezer before the food rots.... The one pointed at my face at night will let me know the gen has stopped running for whatever reason and the first tool I will take outside to fix it will be the Bersa .380 wrench.

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    How many hours have you ran the generators? How much gas have you used?

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    I also have questions about cooking food, how much propane, charcoal did or do you have and how much food are you cooking? And I would think you could run a microwave oven on a generator not sure about a stove/oven...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobo finds View Post
    I also have questions about cooking food, how much propane, charcoal did or do you have and how much food are you cooking? And I would think you could run a microwave oven on a generator not sure about a stove/oven...
    I have bags and bags.... garage sale buys. I see people selling a grill with a full bag of charcoal and I offer $1 for it. I have enough at this point I don't offer to buy unless it is like hardwood coal or something special.
    Propane... again, garage sale. I have six tanks that probably have over 100#'s . I see them and offer a buck or two. The empties I sell for $10 and the ones that have significant LP in them I stock away for grilling and the propane fireplace.
    The micro will run. We have used that. the stove will work, but I keep it to one of the medium burners. We will get a frying pan hot and cook eggs and stuff, but y'all ain't comin'over for Christmas dinner.

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    How many hours have you ran the generators? How much gas have you used?
    The generator has run continuously since Monday morning. It has not stopped. I just pour gas into it as it runs. It takes about ten gallons a day to run it. I pour five in at 6ish in the morning and another five in about 7ish.


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    My fear would be as the longer this goes on, my neighbors who may not be as well stocked up as I was, would notice ac on, lights, bbq going every day. As time went on and they have used up there supply, you have also used up items. Day 1 or 2 I am sure you could and would give out anything and everything you could to help but day 21 and 22 you may not be able or want to.

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    And after this I know I need to get a gas generator. I have always thought if the power goes off, cook all the food you can on your grill and wait it out. Use a camp stove to heat up canned goods But that only goes so far. If you had a generator you can make ice and freeze water bottles and keep food cold, and buy a lot of time until your gas runs out. Then you would rely on charcoal and other cooking methods.

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    One thing to do is check the engine oil on the generators. Personally I would shut down twice a day , let the generator cool down and check the oil. Most stuff can be shut down for short periods of time without harm.

    So is your cable still up and working or are you on a satellite tv service? What is your internet service been like? 73, Mike
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    Now go beat the copper out of something, Miked

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    Quote Originally Posted by t00nces2 View Post
    The 6K I am using to backfeed the house through the dryer plug. This is illegal to do, and dangerous to equipment and lives, so I am not going to tell you how to do it.

    There were reports of gangs in the area stealing generators. This concerned me to the point I had to weigh the benefits of hiding the gen and using a less capable line or keeping it in front of the garage where it would be easier to steal. The garage won. This is what I did:



    I put the gen as close to the garage door down as I could get and doubled 3/16 steel cable six(?) times. The cable is nearly impossible to cut one at a time and multiple loose cables I thought would be secure. I looped them and drove a tapcon with a fender washer to keep it in place. You can see the lip of the garage door there between the anchor and the gen frame. If they want to try to hacksaw those cables around and 300 degree generator while it runs, you have a lot of moxie and a tolerance for heat and pain that surpasses mine. BUt, I also have emergency night lights that plug into outlets that will come on when the power fails when you have an outage. I tell customers and friends to plug these lights into the GFI outlet in the garage they plug there extra firde or freezer into so the light will come on when the GFI trips. It will let them know that the power is off to their freezer before the food rots.... The one pointed at my face at night will let me know the gen has stopped running for whatever reason and the first tool I will take outside to fix it will be the Bersa .380 wrench.
    Becky and I were in a trailer park and she wanted to dry some cloths in her 220 volt dry, the park supplied one 110 volt plug for the trailer. I made up a pig tail that would plug into our socket then an empty lot next to use that happened to be on the other half of the 220 circuit.

    On the Island when the power went out, did the same as your doing back fed power into the house circuit from a Miller big 40 welder / Generator that put out 220 volts.

    Many an unsuspecting lineman has been electrocuted from home generators back feeding power into the mains.

    The legal way to do this is by using a transfer switch tied into the home circuit.

    We've had a rash pf theft over the summer months, I'm going to cement and eye bolt into the lawn mower shed to chain the mower down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobo finds View Post
    My fear would be as the longer this goes on, my neighbors who may not be as well stocked up as I was, would notice ac on, lights, bbq going every day. As time went on and they have used up there supply, you have also used up items. Day 1 or 2 I am sure you could and would give out anything and everything you could to help but day 21 and 22 you may not be able or want to.
    I'm not really worried about the neighbors, it is the folks from out of the area I am more worried about. As far as the gas issue, it is available. You just have to strike when the iron is hot. I seem to be able to drop by the local shell and get gas with no problem. It is a local station where all the local landscapers stop to fuel up.

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    I'm not really worried about the neighbors, it is the folks from out of the area I am more worried about. As far as the gas issue, it is available. You just have to strike when the iron is hot. I seem to be able to drop by the local shell and get gas with no problem. It is a local station where all the local landscapers stop to fuel up.
    Let us know how many gallons you have used once this is done. Stay safe and how much is a gallon of gas there?

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    Also what are you doing with garbage? Are you burring it or just adding it to your curb? I would burn everything when I was in the back yard night staying awake for anyone whom would want to steel my ****! Do you have a dog? How many hours are you actually sleeping at a time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobo finds View Post
    Let us know how many gallons you have used once this is done. Stay safe and how much is a gallon of gas there?
    I really have no idea at this point, I just know what I have to pour in about 8-9 gallons a day $2.699/gal...

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    So if no supply of gas 50 gallons would be gone by now? How can you prepare for long term power outages? You would think 50 - 60 gallons fine then if you need to get gas from car to help add time, but this is so much bigger if you had no access to gas

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobo finds View Post
    So if no supply of gas 50 gallons would be gone by now? How can you prepare for long term power outages? You would think 50 - 60 gallons fine then if you need to get gas from car to help add time, but this is so much bigger if you had no access to gas
    Yes, but I have gas. This is a long term power outage and I have had the gas to run the generator.

    I had a coach that put the girls on one side of the gym and the boys on the other. He told everyonr=e to move halfway to the middle, and halfway to the middle again... and again. Some guys gave up but I knew that I would eventually be close enough to do what I was dreaming of.

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    Have you thought in the future to try and switch or convert your stuff over to diesel? Sage's mom lives(or lived, their not sure if the park they were staying in is there anymore) in Seabring and I've heard from others that while gas has been going like no tomorrow, diesel has been setting idle. Good to know you're still with us.

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    At the very least, I would turn off the main breaker when illegally back feeding a generator without a transfer switch in an emergency.
    I personally would remove the main breaker, but that means working in a live panel to fix it after power is restored

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    Quote Originally Posted by logansryche View Post
    Have you thought in the future to try and switch or convert your stuff over to diesel? Sage's mom lives(or lived, their not sure if the park they were staying in is there anymore) in Seabring and I've heard from others that while gas has been going like no tomorrow, diesel has been setting idle. Good to know you're still with us.

    Been hearing that Sebring will be without power for a while yet.


    I can tell you that up here, diesel is in high demand, both for vehicles and farm equipment. It is in just as short supply as gas. Fortunately, while we were in a badly hit area, it is not too long a drive to a slightly less hit area, where gas is still available without long lines. I also have learned by experience to stockpile gas. I used to keep 40 gallons, but am down to 30 because when I moved up here I was informed it is not a hurricane prone area. So far, in the 3 years I have been here, we had Hermine last year and Irma this year. I am now on the hunt for more cans...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobo finds View Post
    Also what are you doing with garbage? Are you burring it or just adding it to your curb? I would burn everything when I was in the back yard night staying awake for anyone whom would want to steel my ****! Do you have a dog? How many hours are you actually sleeping at a time?
    Putting it on the curb. They say garbage will be back up this week, they just haven't gotten to us yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by hobo finds View Post
    So if no supply of gas 50 gallons would be gone by now? How can you prepare for long term power outages? You would think 50 - 60 gallons fine then if you need to get gas from car to help add time, but this is so much bigger if you had no access to gas
    Honestly, I don't know. They say 72 hours and I have that covered. I guess my first idea of using the little generator to run the fridge and little AC was good and then just run the big one to replenish the water would extend the usage.

    Quote Originally Posted by logansryche View Post
    Have you thought in the future to try and switch or convert your stuff over to diesel? Sage's mom lives(or lived, their not sure if the park they were staying in is there anymore) in Seabring and I've heard from others that while gas has been going like no tomorrow, diesel has been setting idle. Good to know you're still with us.
    If I was going to install a permanent gen I would consider diesel.

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    At the very least, I would turn off the main breaker when illegally back feeding a generator without a transfer switch in an emergency.
    I personally would remove the main breaker, but that means working in a live panel to fix it after power is restored
    You have to. That is why it is illegal, but it would also mean that your generator was going to try to run all of your neighbors houses, too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by miked View Post
    One thing to do is check the engine oil on the generators. Personally I would shut down twice a day , let the generator cool down and check the oil. Most stuff can be shut down for short periods of time without harm.

    So is your cable still up and working or are you on a satellite tv service? What is your internet service been like? 73, Mike
    Chalk that up to the things I have learned. I just figured it was like a mower or a car that rarely needs oil. Last night it kicked off for low oil (thank God). I paid a steep price for my complacency. It was brutal hot last night. Added oil and it is back on and running again. It won't be a mistake I make again.

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    First post on a new acct. ( skipped the intro )

    I've been doing the back up generator thing for awhile. It's been a learning experience. There's been a growth and evolution over the years. It's been a process of trial and error to see what works and figure out some kind of long term sustainability.

    We're on an island off the coast of Maine. It's pretty common for us to lose our power during fall & winter. Storms rip through. Trees fall into the wires & block the roads. Sometimes they get it all put back together in a few hours. Other times it's a few days or even a week before the repairs can be completed. In a SHTF scenario it could be months. You gotta figure out what your needs are.

    For us it's:

    1: Heat in the winter. We've got a wood stove with about 3 years supply of firewood on the property. It keeps the house warm & we can cook on it if we have to.

    2:Water: We have a drilled well w/ a submersible pump. I added a large extrol pressure tank that has about a 30 gallon draw down.If we're careful about our water usage we have running water for about a day after the power goes out.Once it runs out we fire up the generator and refill the pressure tank. It takes about five or ten minutes of runtime.

    3: Refrigeration: You need a generator for that. We can get by with running the Jenny about 10 hours a day. The fridge keeps itself reasonably cool if we don't open the doors too much.We don't really need a fridge in the winter anyway. We can store stuff outside.

    4: For cooking we have a regular stove & oven that runs on propane. Two 100# propane bottles ( the standard here ) will easily last us for six months.

    5: Lights: I shifted over to 120 volt LED light bulbs last year. It cut our monthly electric bill by 25%. It's taken quite a load off our generator when we are on backup power.

    It gets pretty tedious to keep the generator running 24/7 so we only run ours 10 hours a day at most. I've got a large truck battery that i bought on sale at Wal Mart years ago. We have some 12 volt DC LED's that we use for lighting when the generator isn't running. The battery has enough capacity to keep the low voltage lights on for a couple of days between recharging cycles.

    Twenty five years ago it started out simple for us. I had a cart with 12 volt batteries and a power inverter.

    From there we went to a 5000 watt gasoline generator. We had the electrician install a transfer switch at the time. It was good, but it went through a lot of fuel. It would average about a gallon of gas per hour during peak demand. Figure maybe 20 gallons per day at 2.50$ per gallon running full time ? That comes out to 50.00$/day or 1,500.00$ a month for electricity.

    From there we converted the 5kw generator to run on dual fuel. ( Gasoline or propane ) Upgraded gasoline storage to 275 gallons and had a total of six 100 # propane bottles. That gave us plenty of storage but we ran into a couple of problems.

    a: It's still expensive to run.

    b: You don't get as much "oomph" out of a gallon of propane. It reduced the peak generator output by maybe 10% ? We had to use propane in the non peak demand times.

    c: You needed either hardened valves to run on propane -or- an ashless motor oil. Hardened valves weren't available. I tried going to straight 30 weight oil but the engine wouldn't crank in the cold because the oil was so thick.

    * The solution was to go to Redline full synthetic racing oil. It has a very high vaporization point. If it doesn't vaporize then it doesn't go up through the crankcase breather into the carb and form ash on the valves.

    * Just about any generator these days runs hard because it's at peak RPM all the time. Use a full synthetic quality motor oil. You won't have the oil consumption problems. The other thing with air cooled small engines is that regular motor oil should be changed out every 30 hours of runtime. That means an oil change every other day if you're running 24/7. Synthetics have much longer oil change intervals and you don't have to top them off very often. This is much better during an emergency situation.

    Anyway, to continue on with the saga. What we had worked okay up until about 2006 then we started running into problems. Local laws changed and they really didn't like you storing any more than ten gallons of gasoline on the property at any time. To make things more difficult they switched over to blended gas/ethanol fuel. It was the only thing available to buy. It only has a reliable shelf life of 30 days. It was a lot more corrosive and started attacking the rubber parts in the small engine carb.

    We finally decided that gasoline wasn't a reliable SHTF motor fuel any more. Propane has it's pro's and con's but diesel is looking like the best choice.

    We went to a 6.5 kw diesel. Most homes here have oil fired central heat. We have two -275 gallon storage tanks in the basement. Heating oil is very similar to diesel. It costs a few cents more but off road diesel burns very cleanly in an oil furnace.

    That gave us a rugged diesel generator that burns 3.5 gallons every six hours of runtime. We've got 500 gallons of diesel in storage. The generator is loud and the exhaust has a pretty heavy smell but it was reliable and economical. I figured that if we only ran the generator for three hours a day we could go for almost a year before having to refill our storage tanks. The fuel keeps in storage better than gasoline and it's much safer.

    Last year one of the small bolts holding the terminal block in place ( inside the generator head) vibrated loose and tore up the windings. No more diesel Jenny !

    You know what they say about the best laid plans ?

    Every situation is different but i'm leaning more toward solar these days. Use that to run the fridge and a few lights. Fix the diesel and only use it for a couple of hours a day for when we want to run the water pump and do the washing.

    Figured i'd pass it all along in the hopes that some part of it might be helpful to someone. I had to learn the hard way.

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