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    Satoh S650G

    This Satoh S650G make for four tractors I now have in my collection, still not enough horse power to run the hammer mill maybe number five will be the magic number.

    Just before buying this tractor purchased an old loader for $100.00, the Satoh set me back $500.00 the pair mated together will make for a nice utility yard machine. I'll have to cut some trees to free the loader which has sat for the past 20 years.







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    Wow...That loader is really in there...

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    I'll probably have to make new standoffs to fit the Satoh S650G as this loader originally came fitted to a Massey 35 which the owner recently sold to another buyer. I missed it by three weeks.

    I told everyone that I was going to plant garlic, the seed was expensive and mostly sold out but did manage to get enough to plant half an acre which will be used for my next crop next fall. It will be from this crop that I will have enough to sell.

    In the meantime been busy learning how to propagate via cell cultures, test tube plants.

    I only have two acres half of which I'll use for personal and commercial garden, then it's my goal is to either purchase a few lots in town on the next tax sale or maybe just rent some property to expand my garlic operation.

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    I had a class on plant propagation in 1973 taught by grad. student from Purdue University at my first college Vincennes University. I wish I have paid closer attention or retained those brain cells. I graduated from there with an AAS in Ornamental Horticulture( I did stray from that path).

    As I recall we were reproducing tomato plants and used a scalpel to remove a very few cells from the tips of the roots. Procedure included keeping everything sterile including using a Bunsen burner to clean the end of the test tube just before placing the cells in the media that was on the bottom of the tube.

    Although I was not directly involved I noticed it was a very successful test of the technique of reproduction. I very much look forward to hearing about your results.

    I love the tractors. We have a channel on DirecTV that for farmers and ranchers and they often have programs on vintage farm equipment. My wife and I watched a show on vintage lawn and garden tractors. It was interesting and espesically so for my wife. My wife also grew up on a farm but the family tractor was a water buffalo. She's from Vietnam.

    Thanks for sharing you cool stuff. 73, Mike
    "Profit begins when you buy NOT when you sell." {quote passed down to me from a wise man}

    Now go beat the copper out of something, Miked

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    Quote Originally Posted by miked View Post
    I had a class on plant propagation in 1973 taught by grad. student from Purdue University at my first college Vincennes University. I wish I have paid closer attention or retained those brain cells. I graduated from there with an AAS in Ornamental Horticulture( I did stray from that path).

    As I recall we were reproducing tomato plants and used a scalpel to remove a very few cells from the tips of the roots. Procedure included keeping everything sterile including using a Bunsen burner to clean the end of the test tube just before placing the cells in the media that was on the bottom of the tube.

    Although I was not directly involved I noticed it was a very successful test of the technique of reproduction. I very much look forward to hearing about your results.

    I love the tractors. We have a channel on DirecTV that for farmers and ranchers and they often have programs on vintage farm equipment. My wife and I watched a show on vintage lawn and garden tractors. It was interesting and espesically so for my wife. My wife also grew up on a farm but the family tractor was a water buffalo. She's from Vietnam.

    Thanks for sharing you cool stuff. 73, Mike
    My friend in Richard in B.C. his wife came from a Filipino farming family they also used water buffalo, apparently these animals are very dedicated to their masters.

    From what I have learned about test tube propagation working in a sterile environment and equipment is perhaps the post important part of the process along with moderating temperature and lighting. I'm really looking forward to setting up a small room in my shop for this project.

    The Satoh is the last of the toys, next I'll want to build an implement for planting and harvesting as for weeding I'm going to use a technique called flaming.

    My set up will be scaled down from the one shown in the video, but the end results will be the same no laborious work on my part.

    I'm perhaps the laziest person on this forum,.


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    First I have had it verified I am the laziest member of the forum, my wife and dogs were on the committee who determined the findings.

    Interesting weed killing video. I viewed it on youtube so I could see what the plants were, thought it was corn, verified it is popcorn. So I have a weed burner nozzle that I have used with a 30lb propane tank to kill the weeds at the foundation of my house and the fence row. It is very effective, being lazy I need to mount it on to my lawn tractor so I don't have to carry it around.

    After watching this video I watched some on using steam to kill weeds. A couple of the weed steamers reminded me of a friend's carpet steam cleaner. His fits in the back of a small van a similar one could be put on a small trailer.

    Back to the water buffalo: When my wife was a little girl her job was to give the family water buffalo a bath in the community pond. The first day she was on her own took them to the pond she panicked because she lost track of which were her's and which weren't. As she has said she also didn't know the buffalo knew the way home and where the food was. Well when you 5 years old I guess things can be confusing. 73, Mike

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    As a youth had spent some time in Brannon Lake a boys reform school, I scored a job working in the greenhouse we had a large steam box used to sterilize our potting soil, the hot steam would cook the weed seeds so that they would not germinate.

    Without the side effects of being a bad boy have decided to continue my education in horticulture.

    Mike I'm not going to compete with you for the tittle of being the most laziest forum member I gladly cede the tittle to you settling for second place.

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    Mike under normal circumstances garlic does not produce true seed but maybe encouraged by hand picking ( tweezing ) the little bulbils from the flowering scape before they mature. Once removed true seed production begins.

    The flowers may be cut from the plant then placed into a bucket of water.

    Here's a link to one of the articles I've found on the topic, True Garlic Seed

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    I used to grow garlic on a farm where I worked. We used the criss-cross planting pattern and mulched heavily, sometimes with hay and other times with bark mulch. Bark is easier to get but you incur lots of mold. We didn't flame the garlic; it was too risky, since we planted on Columbus Day weekend and harvested the following August. Flaming won't damage any weed growth that late in the season and in the spring you risk burning early garlic shoots or setting the row mulch on fire. It's a vigorous plant which requires little weeding and most of it manual, if the mulch cover is decent, removing hardier weeds like Lamb's Quarter and pigweed.

    I've had luck growing garlic from the bulbils. The plant can be cultivated from so many different parts that waiting on seed just seems like an unnecessary formality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakage View Post
    I used to grow garlic on a farm where I worked. We used the criss-cross planting pattern and mulched heavily, sometimes with hay and other times with bark mulch. Bark is easier to get but you incur lots of mold. We didn't flame the garlic; it was too risky, since we planted on Columbus Day weekend and harvested the following August. Flaming won't damage any weed growth that late in the season and in the spring you risk burning early garlic shoots or setting the row mulch on fire. It's a vigorous plant which requires little weeding and most of it manual, if the mulch cover is decent, removing hardier weeds like Lamb's Quarter and pigweed.

    I've had luck growing garlic from the bulbils. The plant can be cultivated from so many different parts that waiting on seed just seems like an unnecessary formality.
    I have very god snow coverage to covering with mulch is unnecessary.

    Your right about garlic being a vigorous plant only needing to weed during the early stages of growth this is one reason I choose this type of crop.

    Garlic will stand up to flame weeding the plants maybe stressed for a day but fully recover.

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    Some pictures of my garlic this crop will be replanted in the fall next year should have enough plants to fill the whole garden plot.




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    The garlic is looking good. Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by miked View Post
    The garlic is looking good. Mike
    Thanks Mike, the garlic planted in the fall is a month earlier than the asparagus.

    I have a couple of rows of something called music garlic to the left of the Russian, its just now popping through the ground. I won't be replanting the music.

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    The Satoh tractor project was an Internet disaster, I try not to blame other people for my mistakes but this case is an exception.

    The guy from another forum stated and showed pictures to the fact that he had installed a Kubota V2203 Kubota diesel engine into a Satoh tractor, haveing recently purchased the indenticle tractor went out and purchased a V2203 Kubota diesel engine.

    Turn out there's two V2203 Kubota diesel engines that have nothing in common other than the model designation, mine is a DI ( Direct Injected Block ) and the one the forum posted had installed was an indirect injected block.

    The newer Tier 4 indirect diesel engines are junk, I would rather tow the Satoh to the landfill before spending money on an IDI engine that would give me a lifetime of grief.

    For the past couple of weeks been working on the Simplicity 9020, the Onan engine has been completely rebuilt with .010 pistons, standard crankshaft etc. etc. Just waiting on an oil seal for the rear main bearing plate to arrive in the mail.

    Onan engines are another story, I now have two aluminum blocks and three of the more preferable cast iron blocks. If you went around buying up cheap $100.00 RV gen sets then dismantling them for parts you could make a killing on ebay once you know which parts interchange.

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    Knowledge is power. Thanks for sharing and push forward. 73, Mike

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    Last year I had purchased a Simplicity 9020 with a seized engine, spent most of this year looking for either a good running Onan or parts ended up rebuilding the engine that came with the tractor which still needs a carburetor and muffler.

    Muffler for a lousy garden tractor is like $375.00 before shipping.

    This morning a fellow I know gave me a heads up on the Allis Chalmers 720, picture below. The tractor is a 10 hour drive from home, decided to call the owner up and git the 720 for a really really good price.

    Comes with belly mower and a set of pallet forks.

    Even though it's branded ad an Allis Chalmers product the tractor is same as the Simplicity 9020 some sheet metal is different.


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    So what is the plan for the Simplicity 9020? I don't mean to ask stupid questions but sometimes that all I have available. Here's my question: Why not just fabricate a muffler? 73 Mike

    ps My yaesu FT-950 HF 160-6 meter transceiver just went down for the count. Yaesu tech said it's unlikely to be repaired since the likely bad board is no longer available. He did offer if I sent it in they would be able to blame it on a power surge for an insurance claim. I'm just going to sell it as a broken rig for parts only and recoup some of my money.

    I liked the FT-950 its a big desk top radio with lots of dials and few menu changes needed while operating. What killed my radio is a weakness in the design so I'm not going to buy another one.

    I'm trying to decide to go used again or pay for a new one. At 63 I'm likely at the end of purchasing any more new radios after this one I'm considering. Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by miked View Post
    So what is the plan for the Simplicity 9020? I don't mean to ask stupid questions but sometimes that all I have available. Here's my question: Why not just fabricate a muffler? 73 Mike

    ps My yaesu FT-950 HF 160-6 meter transceiver just went down for the count. Yaesu tech said it's unlikely to be repaired since the likely bad board is no longer available. He did offer if I sent it in they would be able to blame it on a power surge for an insurance claim. I'm just going to sell it as a broken rig for parts only and recoup some of my money.

    I liked the FT-950 its a big desk top radio with lots of dials and few menu changes needed while operating. What killed my radio is a weakness in the design so I'm not going to buy another one.

    I'm trying to decide to go used again or pay for a new one. At 63 I'm likely at the end of purchasing any more new radios after this one I'm considering. Mike
    Thats a bummer about the radio packing it in, thats the problem with this newer stuff jammed full of circuit boards. The old tube radios many a ham operator knew how to fix one.

    On the 9020 if I left he hood off could put anything in there for a muffler, the OEM is made to fit in a confined space.

    As to what I'll do with the 9020 this depends on how much damage there is inside the trans-axle on that 720. The guy I bought it from said that when its put into gear just a grinding noise comes from the transmission. Both tractors are hydrostatic drive, I suspect the spline on the hydro motor is worn out and probably took out the mating gear as well.

    Since the 720 is a much nicer looking machine my thought was to remove the trans axle from the 9020 then slip it under the 720, the loader maybe an issue. I did some research on the Arc loader and it has a sub frame under the tractor and I don't think I can use the snowblower with the sub frame installed.

    I have the 9020 operational and ready for blowing snow so I'm not going to dismantle anything from it for now.

    Over the winter I'll get inside the 720 to see what needs replacing then keep an eye on the auctions.

    These are a very sturdy built tractor but I have identified one weak point, the internal spline on the hub that connects to the pto clutch is prone to wearing out and also takes out the mating spline on the pto shaft inside the transmission. Not a bother for me as I have no plans to use the rear pto.

    Another fellow had an ad looking for the hub, I told him to remove the pto shaft then examine the spline. It was also worn. It was an interesting week spent having one of my acquaintances draw up the hub in 3D cad. I'll post a link below to the file, it's interesting.

    From that file the hub would be machined with a CNC milling machine, the internal splines cut in with EDM ( Electrical Discharge Machining ) not every machine shop has an EDM and some that did have one gave me some reall goofy quotes.

    Now that we're aware of the shaft being worn, a new one is also being made. Both parts will be machined from 4140 steel which is very hard and can be heat treated to make it even better.

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    Probably could have purchased these parts from auction but end up getting something just as badly worn out. These tractors were made back in the mid 1970's and have certainly earned the right to have a few new parts.

    To have both parts machined the tag came in well under a thousand Canadian dollars. These parts are for the fellow who gave me the heads up on the 720. He opted for the new parts.

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    Continued, it probably took 30 plus years for the splines to wear out on the rear PTO, I think the rototiller breaking fresh ground and beating against large rocks beat the crap out of the splines. I just need the front PTO to drive the snowblower.

    If I can get the 720 mobile I'll use it around the yard, the loader is a god send. The snowblower weighs about 400 lbs fortunately I have that over head trolley with a hoist on it that made installing the blower easier. I can't imaging some poor sap trying tp wrestle that onto the tractor without some sort of lift.

    I think once its installed and you want the blower off it would be best to block it before pulling the pins to the next time you could drive right into the pins.

    Still have the Satoh,as we all know the Kubota V2203 engine would not fit, but I have a Mitsubshi L3E diesel that will. This will keep me busy over the winter months.



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