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    The $8,945.00 fine

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    How overweight does a driver have to be to get a $9000 ticket? Ouch.
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    opps thought it was yours nvm
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    could be a dollar/lb scenario. I used to work for a precast concrete co. when i was in my early 20s, saw a couple fines like that roll through our dispatch office... boy were they pissed off about that stuff, but it was legit. Never saw one for almost 9k, but there was one where we had a load go out (they maxed the 53' flatbed) where they forgot to add in the weight of all the chains/fuel and believe it or not, the driver... wound up being over an extra ton, and they got a fine for over 2k. Think the other one was a 1k fine or so, either way... that is no bueno.
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    Think they fine people to hell and back for that stuff just to make sure it's a lot more economical to pay for their overweight permits, which are wayyyyyyyy overpriced. But if you're going to be 5k over, it's sure a lot cheaper to pay $500 (guesstimation) for the permit then $5k for getting caught without it.

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    So you can speed through an intersection without stopping while holding an open beer for less than $500, but you better NOT be overweight. Sounds like discrimination to me.

    Oh, and Phred's right on the fine per pound thing at least where I've been.

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    What kills me is, the poor b***** is only 23 years old. I'm guessing a farm truck full of grain probably loaded by his dad or the farmer he was working for. How long does it take a 23 year-old to make $9k? Hope he can make payments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjost View Post
    What kills me is, the poor b***** is only 23 years old. I'm guessing a farm truck full of grain probably loaded by his dad or the farmer he was working for. How long does it take a 23 year-old to make $9k? Hope he can make payments.
    Never know, if he was on company time in a company vehicle, even tho his name is in the paper, it would more than likely fall under the liability of his employer. But if not, yeah that'd be a tough one. One of those early adult year mistakes that can set you back enough to haunt you for years. Hope thats not the case. Hard to see a young guy get buried in legal debt, or any debt for that matter.

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    Not every company is honest on the weight they throw in your trailer. He was over weight, should've hit a scale, saw he was, an adjusted accordingly. Or gone back an had them remove some of it off him.

    He's 23 yep, but when he got his job he should have been trained to pre-trip, weigh his loads, etc etc.

    The heavy fines are to discourage drivers, an companies from being so over. Sounds to me like he's young, screwed up, an will pay for this for a good long while. I see no issue. Is the fine high? sure is, an should be..your driving a 80,000lb loaded semi truck. Your supposed to be a professional. Not just a steering wheel holder.

    People seem to think when you drive a big rig all you do is drive..newsflash..those guys do a lot more then just sit an drive.

    Either way..sucks to be him. or his company. Hope they like talking with DOT cause every time their near a scale now they'll be pulled in. lol.

    Once again..protect your freaking CDL from stupid crap like this people. When they say having a CDL is a privilege, they are right. Your not entitled to it, an if you screw up, they'll yank it from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phred59 View Post
    Never know, if he was on company time in a company vehicle, even tho his name is in the paper, it would more than likely fall under the liability of his employer. But if not, yeah that'd be a tough one. One of those early adult year mistakes that can set you back enough to haunt you for years. Hope thats not the case. Hard to see a young guy get buried in legal debt, or any debt for that matter.
    I respectfully disagree Phred. The driver is responsible for securing/weighing/safety of the load he/she is hauling. IMHO, I think this one is on the kid.

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    You said it PJ. At the end of the day, the driver is responsible for weight, his driving hours of service(HOS), etc.

    The truck doesn't move unless the driver is ready to move it. Dispatch can yell all day but the driver decides when it hits the road. An it's all on the driver. He knows how to find a scale, he knows how to scale his load to fit properly, he knows his HOS, he knows how tired he is or how bad the weather is, etc. Or he should. An if he doesn't he needs to go back to CDL training.

    So yea he's hit with a nice fine an will now know what it means to give all your money to the court. He learned a valuable lesson, he an he alone is responsible for most of what goes on while driving that truck. No different then when I started doing this gig. I threw away a lot of money. This young guy just did the same, but to the tunes of thousands an thousands. Sucks to be him but hey..I'd rather pay a fine then live with the fact I killed an entire family cause my truck was so heavy that I couldn't break in time..just saying. This could've been much worse. Go look up accidents involving big companies like CR England or Swift. He could have had it much much worse. Yea..he's getting off easy. He should be thankful he doesn't have to live with the fact he killed someone or a family. Sorry charlie..you ain't driving no pick up here.

    I can't say I have sympathy for this kid. Being young is not an excuse.He accepted his role as a driver and all the responsibilities that go with it. This could all have been resolved with simple visit to a scale. I bet the 10 bucks for the scale, an the hour drive seem like a better choice vs an over weight fine.

    I could go on, but..it's a nice day. I'll rant later.

    Edit: Oh an Phred don't feel to bad for him. He may lose his job but some smaller company or a bottom feeder will pick him up an give him a job till enough time has gone by to move on to something better. Or he could go with CR England..I hear you just need a pulse to be a driver there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirscrapalot View Post
    You said it PJ. At the end of the day, the driver is responsible for weight, his driving hours of service(HOS), etc.

    The truck doesn't move unless the driver is ready to move it. Dispatch can yell all day but the driver decides when it hits the road. An it's all on the driver. He knows how to find a scale, he knows how to scale his load to fit properly, he knows his HOS, he knows how tired he is or how bad the weather is, etc. Or he should. An if he doesn't he needs to go back to CDL training.

    So yea he's hit with a nice fine an will now know what it means to give all your money to the court. He learned a valuable lesson, he an he alone is responsible for most of what goes on while driving that truck. No different then when I started doing this gig. I threw away a lot of money. This young guy just did the same, but to the tunes of thousands an thousands. Sucks to be him but hey..I'd rather pay a fine then live with the fact I killed an entire family cause my truck was so heavy that I couldn't break in time..just saying. This could've been much worse. Go look up accidents involving big companies like CR England or Swift. He could have had it much much worse. Yea..he's getting off easy. He should be thankful he doesn't have to live with the fact he killed someone or a family. Sorry charlie..you ain't driving no pick up here.

    I can't say I have sympathy for this kid. Being young is not an excuse.He accepted his role as a driver and all the responsibilities that go with it. This could all have been resolved with simple visit to a scale. I bet the 10 bucks for the scale, an the hour drive seem like a better choice vs an over weight fine.

    I could go on, but..it's a nice day. I'll rant later.

    Edit: Oh an Phred don't feel to bad for him. He may lose his job but some smaller company or a bottom feeder will pick him up an give him a job till enough time has gone by to move on to something better. Or he could go with CR England..I hear you just need a pulse to be a driver there.

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    Yes the driver is responsible for his load unless the BOL has an incorrectly stated weight that was issued by his co.
    I have seen this happen before first hand, that incident where they calculated the weight of the truck and the load but did not account for the chains, fuel, driver, and other cab contents. The driver did not have any idea that he was 2k' overweight and his paperwork stated that he was in fact 300lbs under. Company admitted they screwed up, and paid the fine.

    Depending on the circumstances and a company's policy, and where the negligence originated, would determine the liability of the fine. Lesson learned for the kid either way. But according to the law, yes... it's on the driver - period, because the trooper that nails you isn't a judge and does not have the whole story nor care to hear it, as he shouldn't. He has an overweight truck, and a driver to fine. The gray area between the state trooper and JudgeFinesALot is where someone either does the right thing, or gets screwed. Period.

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    Fines are usually based on driver and or companies track record and also the highways that they travel on...here in iowa they go back and check the highway for damage if extremely over lol

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    Anyone know weight limits in Maine? I'm new here and didnt even know there was a weight limit...?

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    Ha ha..Judgefinesalot..if that's me, I'll take the name. Surely you can do better tho.

    The kid could have handled this simply..go back an get reloaded, or go to a scale an get the weight moved off the over weight axle. An before the "But dispatch was yelling" etc etc excuse...Call safety after you get weighed an see your over, an tell them you won't be driving till it's fixed. Once you do that..no more *****ing from Dispatch.

    At the end of the day, an the point is simple here..He's the driver, he's in charge of that truck moving. Be a professional driver, not a steering wheel holder an do your **** job. Weigh it yourself. It's your CDL not the company's. Nobody is going to protect you or your cdl when it comes to trucking, but you.

    Far as high fines an safety records..you can thank the bottom feeder companies like CR England, an Swift among others. There is a reason the jokes go like this..

    Sure Wish I'd Finished Training

    An CR is called Crash and Roll England.

    I was serious when I said all you needed for a job earlier at CR or Swift is a pulse. Don't even need a CDL as they'll gladly run you through their school for about 4 grand or a year of running really crappy miles at really crappy rates.

    Either way..dude got what he deserved. Pay your fine, move on with your life an don't do it again.

    Lesson here? Don't trust the guy loading your truck. Pay the scale money an be sure, or guess an end up with a 9k fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fubar701 View Post
    Anyone know weight limits in Maine? I'm new here and didnt even know there was a weight limit...?
    Go to Maines DOT web site. Should have all the rules or possibly a local dmv office.
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    Why sure, let me grab you the link to Maine's DMV site..

    Motor Carrier Services, Size & Weight Limits, Maine Bureau of Motor Vehicles

    You can dig through the pdf.

    This is to MI's DMV, I'm pretty sure most of the states have the same numbers for this. An if not, do let me know. I'd be interested in reading more on it. SOS - Who Needs a CDL?

    I could have found it on the Maine site, but..I figured I'd let you have all of that fun.

    Your welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRASSCATCHER View Post
    Go to Maines DOT web site. Should have all the rules or possibly a local dmv office.
    I led him to the water BC. Let's hope he can drink without aid.

    An yes Fubar your being picked on, welcome to the club.

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    The $8,945.00 fine

    I only wanted to add the glaringly obvious. What if he did scale at his yard...or was coming off a field? Once grain is in a 40 footer...this time of year its gonna quite heavy Ive seen it scale 8k over the axle limit...because the combine operator is a moron...or they just want to cut max profits. Likewise... seen a yard scale not read correctly...even on my personal truck. Load cells burn out...so checking axle weight as you pull off...well yanno where im going with that.
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    Lol scrapalot, I got three lil girls and a pregnant fiancee, you'll have to do alot better picking to get to me So am I correct in assuming where I'll be using a pickup and trailor, as long as I'm not over the truck or trailers max payload I'm ok?

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    Then in my opinion an mine alone as I'm not a DOT Inspector or in that field...the company should get the blame. It's on them if their equipment fails.

    Now hey, I could be harsh an blaming this fella, but the blurb said axel, so...to me it could've been avoided. Not all scales are conveniently located to where you are, so in order to CYA you might need to back track or find a scale. The shipper, the guy hiring the truck to move his product is going to cram as much on as he can. Now some will be honest..others..less so. Maybe this happened to this kid? Who knows. I don't, nobody else here does, cept maybe PJ cause he has the paper.

    Either way, his career is far from ruined. He's still hirable, he just may have to suffer for a few months to a year before finding a good gig somewhere(if he was fired, some companies do fire for being over weight). He's young, he'll be just fine.

    Fines suck we all agree on that. Sometimes you need to get hit big in the pocket book to learn your lesson tho.

    I like this thread. It's a change of pace. Thanks PJ!

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