being within choking distance sounds like a plan lol funny thing is that the scammers said you could come up there and watch them refine the materials haha
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being within choking distance sounds like a plan lol funny thing is that the scammers said you could come up there and watch them refine the materials haha
and when they write the check choking time lol
Let me know when you list on ebay as I would be interested in bidding since you are in Jersey.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerseyscrapper
What you say about never shipping scrap to someone who offers free shipping is incorrect. I offer to pay for shipping on material in some situations where customers are within a certain geographical distance of us and there is a reasonable amount of material. I pay prices comparable to yours so I am definitely not taking advantage of my customers. I have a really good discount with Fedex from my 11+ years of shipping used and refurbished computer and automotive equipment around the country. It may only cost me 10-15.00 to have someone send me 60lbs of motherboards when if they were to pay to ship them to me with a regular UPS/Fedex account it would cost 40+ dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by easyrecycle
I work with several vendors on the wholesale equipment side that even pay freight on a shipment from me and their offer is still fair and competitive.
Its good to hear there are still honest people out there. I contacted cj enviromental and threatend to involve lawyers if they did not look into this mistake and correct it. After the head customer service agent realized I was being serious they said they would look into it and call me back. Well see what BS they tell me when they call. Ill probably have to call them back
Years ago we owned a video rental store and a summer resident stole a game system and 4 like new games. We tried to take it to court but the prosecutor told us that because of the value they would not pursue the person across state lines. But that's been 16 years ago, and things might have changed. Good luck,,,Quote:
I contacted cj enviromental and threatend to involve lawyers if they did not look into this mistake and correct it.
I would like to know why people get on Ebay and buy electronic scrap in the first place. I don't know anything about this.
Also, what are you supposed to do with all the cathode ray tubes?
The people are gathering up large quantities of boards and refining to gain the different PM's (precious metals) that may be in there.Quote:
I would like to know why people get on Ebay and buy electronic scrap in the first place. I don't know anything about this.
There is another whole thread about the tubes. Couple of places will take them.Quote:
Also, what are you supposed to do with all the cathode ray tubes?
Here is one thread, and there's others, might have a few answers there for you.
http://www.scrapmetalforum.com/showt...56-TV-Carcases
In WA state, I would file small claims. Take in a list of weights along with pricing from easy and boardsort and use that as a 'minimum' for the recovery value. Then multiply that by % recovery they promised and sue them for the difference. Take in the check that they had sent you so the judge can order a garnishment from their bank account. You may be able to do some more research - I remember seeing something like 50 average motherboards 1 oz of gold (I think it was on the gold refining forum). You may be able to use that figure to get a higher amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by conrad4784
If they don't show up to the small claims hearing, a default judgement is entered in your favor. Give the judge the check so he can order garnishment and wait for it to show up. Another option is after you receive the default judgement, sell the claim to a collections agency.
It was finishing.com...
http://www.finishing.com/188/89p3.shtml
Faulguy just an fyi that number is off by quite a bit. There is an average of 5-6 ounces of refined gold in 2000lbs of motherboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by faulguy
That makes more sense. I figured there must have been some hella markups on those...Quote:
Originally Posted by CLR Solutions
Lol. 50 motherboards/ounce, 400 motherboards/ounce... pretty much the same, right?
You know what they say about things you see on the internet. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by faulguy
Yea, don't forget the scoopshovel, cause it's gonna get deep.Quote:
You know what they say about things you see on the internet.
http://www.95isalive.com/images/shoveling1.gif
I agree with you CLR...I just shipped 20lbs of cellphone scrap to company in FL that paid for shipping and got a little over $7/lb (priced on 11/3/11). I read reviews on another forum and contacted him for the details before I sent anything. link: http://relectrocycle.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by CLR Solutions
Free shipping should not be a danger sign, but you should alway do your home work and make sure you are comfortable with teh risks before you enter into a business arrangement with anyone.
Jack Ostteen the owner of Relectrocycle is a good guy to deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaydisco
I have spoken with Jack as well. He is close to me and pays shipping so will most likely be dealing with him.
If one of you big dealers would post a copy of an assay report from one of shipments to a refiner there wouldnt be any speculation. As soon as I can find one that will do it for a sample for me ill do it. I just want to know whats really all in them myself. I know ill probable get flamed for asking for such info but if you dont ask you never receive.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLR Solutions
I have been a junk dealer for almost 20 years, A few things you guys need to realize and keep in mind is that most of these places wont pay high totals for small loads of under 50 lbs, and they get very annoyed when someone walks in with 3 or 4 different types of material all mixed up in a barrel and start sorting it out right there in the yard. If your selling electronic scrap primarily based on the value of the gold contained in the total lot, then you need to sell to a refiner, not a junk dealer, But the catch is,, Refiners are not going to waste thier time buying 100lbs of material especially mixed motherboards and such which contain a ton of waste. The only time that you bother sending in a small load of 500lbs or less is if the entire load consists of all high grade material, such as two drums of only ceramic CPU chips, or drums of cell boards, or sattelite chips, in those instances you may have enough of a recovery rate to work a deal, but otherwise a place like casforscrapusa.com or those type places, or a local scrap yard may be what you'd have to settle for. Ebay is good to an extent but you have to know wht your selling and what your supposed to expect for it. I see people on there selling case lots of motherboards, slot cards and RAM, Mixed with CPUs and they settle for a flat rate for the whole lot, WHERAS if you did it in volume and shipped 8 or 10 gaylords of motherboards, as well as pallet containing 4 55gallon drums with cleaned slot cards , ram and cpu's and went right to the refinery, they would normally take the first 3-400 bucks off the top for the processing but after that you get the rest of the market value for the PGM ratings of the material once the assay is completed. For small loads of less than 1,000 lbs your best bet is a company called 123 Precious Metals in N.C., But they have a minimum quantity, I believe the minimum nowdays is about 300lbs but youd have to double check that. They require that you remove ALL lithium and nicad batteries from all material, Even the tiny batteries from cell phone boards, You also need to remove any heavy thick steel which cant be shredded, such as the brackets from the edge of computer boards, transformers, and heat sincs, very thin metal isnt a big deal, but the thin plating on the back side of cell boards should be peeled off with pliers because of the amount of gold underneath it, you dont want to jepordize the recovery process, youll only be screwing yourself, Do it right if you want a good return. Also, For those of you who got stiffed by Cashforelectronicscrap.com / CJ Environmental, I know them, Even though no business is done between us, I learned many many moons ago that theres a very bad business ethic in that circle, I also personally know some Ex employees of his, and the stories are endless. The owner of that company's name is Norm Schneider. Either way, If you want to be a big boy in the junk business you need to do volume, and learn what needs to be done in terms of material preperation beforehand, and if/when you get that squared away, Get a nice lot together of high grade material, with the lowest grade items being bare motherboards.
Sweet jesus, can you please break that up into paragraphs?
Also Atlantic please do an intro so we get to know you. What you have written is very interesting to me since I live up the road from those people. Thank you, Mike.
I called the 123 precious metal refining recommended by Atlantic. It was a quick conversation since I didn't want to waste their time. I only have about 100 lbs of computer material on hand.
As I understand it: 2000lb mimum to make a run with 80% gold, 70% siver, and 70%(?) pallidium return. They will buy lesser amounts. I did not discuss just how small of an amount I would be able to take in. He did say he wanted everything complete in the computer not seperated out.(this seems to be very different from other buyers) And they pay $4-5/lb for that material. It might be worth the trip to see them in person. Mike.
$4-5/lb for complete computers?Quote:
Originally Posted by miked
Yea, I think I might just take a ride down the road with some of my e-scrap and see what they say face to face. If I do I will take notes and report back. Mike.
I wish I would have know that before I tore down all those servers I picked up...hell, the cases alone were 10lb. - 15lb. That can't be right...that comes out to around $100 -$200 per server. Unless they plan on just paying you for the board weight and keeping the rest for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by faulguy
Don't know if this kind of business has any state licenses or not, but if they do then threatening to file a complaint with the state is sometimes effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by conrad4784
$4-5/lb for complete computers would be around $100/computer. I've seen an ewaste company list 40,000lbs of computers monthly for $.50/lb... I'd sell my left nut to come up with the $20k to buy them and resell for 8-10x the amount...
Some places to file complaints would be the Better Business Bureau and the state Attorney General.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrapette
What I believe the guy was trying to say is he wanted all the good stuff out of a computer, mother board, pci, cpu and that he would pay $4-5/lb. I intend to go there tomorrow, 123 precious metal refinery in Wilmington, NC. I will take some of my e material and see what's what, Mike.
I sent them an email with no reponse. let us know what you come up with miked.
I wonder if thats normal that they dont give the basic metals back at any percentage. LIke aluminum and copper.Quote:
Originally Posted by miked
The BBB shows them having a lot of complaints, but they still give them an A rating
http://www.bbb.org/boston/Business-R...nts/#breakdown
Dealing with refineries is a tough gig .I can certainly understand why all of you want to get the most money for your material. We have been doing this for 7 years, god only knows the money we got burned on. The learning curve is painful, very costly. There are no guarantees and NO TWO lots will EVER run the same... that is a key factor to remember here. It takes alot of analytical/trends information to make decision on what material goes with which lot... we run dozes of internal "grades" of boards. This is a proprietary process that evolves every quarter but is necessary to stay in business.
I think most of you will be sadly let down by many of these refineries promising the world and returning 30% of your expectations. At the end of the day, these refineries are in business to make money. Once they pay you for your lot (always conservative) the rest of the material is sent to another refinery that specializes in processing that particular material.
Ewasted, I expect that to be the case. I have no illusions that my little lot will be important to these people. I only hope what I loose in price is made up for by saving on freight.
I was prepared to take my stuff to them today but the took the day off. I may get there next week, Mike.