Mass Extraction? (A/P ~ Aqua-R)

**6Recycle0the7** · 10-30-2016, 04:25 PM

Background: Stripped down, and capacitors removed/still attached. How ever it may have to happen. SWIM has proper waste disposal nearby and a couple ton's worth of electronics, mainly industrial network gear/computers/monitors/CB radios/ Car amplifiers/ automotive electrical eq / battery chargers, ect....

SWIM knows it's recommended to remove all ferromagnetic materials and to remove solder through NaOH solution. SWIM knows capacitors have fluids in them but do not know in depth the content and the reaction that it may have. SWIM is talking of using the following solutions: (but am open to other cost effective methods.) HCL/HP solution / Nitric Acid solution (and obviously an Aqua-R solution if needed)

Question:

On a scale of approx. the volume of a 5 gallon bucket, to a 55 gallon (non-metallic) drum, How would SWIY go about efficiently extracting and precipitating individual metals on a large scale.

A) What would be the steps needed for maximum yield, and most importantly the safety measures required for on the spot problem solving / handling
B) How does SWIY go about precipitating individual metals out of each solution. HCL/HP is the reverse of Nitric-A in terms of silver and better. But SWIM only knows more about the safety than producing efficient results.

Side question: Is there a spectrum of chemicals used to determine elemental content of metals? SWIM knows only of gold/silver testing, but as MRI and Mass Spectrometers are a bit out of SWIM's price range, it sure is helpful with the way some elements react a bit extreme when dropped too fast.

Thank-you for your time in this matter, and SWIM greatly appreciate any knowledge you may have on this situation. Please refrain from the comments involving "Don't do it, (insert bunch of information on why, instead of on how to do a bad idea ideally)

**jimicrk** · 10-30-2016, 05:07 PM

Copied from the SMF rules

Our Stance on Refining Topics - DANGEROUS

I wanted to make a sticky in here about our rules regarding precious metal refining. I don't believe there was ever a clear thread or notice regarding this so I'm posting one now.

First and foremost - Refining involves chemicals and processes that can KILL you. Refining is DANGEROUS. That is not to be taken lightly, trying to refine, without knowing what you're doing, can KILL YOU and OTHERS AROUND YOU.

This forum is not the place to become knowledgeable about, or to educate others about the details on how to refine precious metals.

We don't want discussions starting here with detailed posts about how to refine, the mixture of chemicals, how to or not to be safe about it. This is not the place for that type of discussion, refining is an entirely different trade from "Scrapping".

Detailed postings regarding the refining process have always been and will be continue to be removed when they come up. Again this is serious stuff and this forum is not the place to learn or teach these things.

If you want to learn about, or talk about gold refining (or the refining of other precious metals) please visit the Gold Refining Forum 'GRF'.
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**billygoat** · 10-30-2016, 05:15 PM

SWIM should go to the gold refining forum.

**AuburnEwaste** · 10-30-2016, 05:35 PM

What the **** is SWIM?

**jimicrk** · 10-30-2016, 05:41 PM

Jimicrk doesn't know what SWIM is but Jimicrk thinks SWIM should have read the forum rules before posting.

**auminer** · 10-30-2016, 06:14 PM

Someone who IS me comes here once every other year to poke Sirscrapalot STILL knows the first rule of fight club.... errrrr... chemical refining ... is you don't talk about it here!

**billygoat** · 10-30-2016, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by jimicrk

Jimicrk doesn't know what SWIM is but Jimicrk thinks SWIM should have read the forum rules before posting.

I think you've been reading too many Rickey Henderson quotes. But that's just a guess.

**CapitalRecovery** · 10-30-2016, 06:48 PM

Step a side guys I can handle this one...
Take all your stuff, box them (Under 70 Lbs.) and ship to a refiner on the forum.
You do know goats eat almost everything, so let the big boys handle the chems.
How did I do?

**jimicrk** · 10-30-2016, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by billygoat

I think you've been reading too many Rickey Henderson quotes. But that's just a guess.

I don't/didn't know who Rickey Henderson was until I googled his name just know. I see what you mean but I think SWIM is the one who has been reading to many Rickey Henderson quotes. Go back and read the OP and you'll see what I mean.

**billygoat** · 10-30-2016, 07:11 PM

I do see what you mean. But rather than refer to himself in the third person, he's trying to take the sting out of it by making it look like it isn't him who is trying to refine. But we can see through that.

**jimicrk** · 10-30-2016, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by AuburnEwaste

What the **** is SWIM?

Urban Dictionary

Someone Who Isn't Me. Most people use this abbreviation when telling some story about them doing something unsavoury, to avoid reprimand.

**6Recycle0the7** · 10-30-2016, 09:07 PM

I will just accept what is being said to me as having misunderstood the rules, of course how gracious for me to accept the only option I have, but

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* - Disallowed thread/post topics - Religious discussions, Political discussions (unless it's directly related to metal recycling and IS NOT a debate), bans, Moderated posts/threads, Illegal activities and other unethical or immoral business practices, advertising outside of designated areas, list subject to change.

Full article at Scrap Metal Forum:

This was the only regulation I had found that might pertain unless I am missing something, which seems like the case considering the multiple sources of everything but an answer (besides the gold forum which I thought of briefly before I had even posted). So for future reference if you don't mind highlighting the rule breaking here I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank-you.

Edit*

This was actually why I used the acronyms. Seemed like a really short rule list I had read for such a large forum.

**6Recycle0the7** · 10-30-2016, 09:15 PM

Nevermind. once again. totally overlooked
jimicrk's post. Thank you for this and my apologies. I merely clicked the "forum rules" on the above navigation. I appreciate how my question was handled and I look forward to learning from a oddly well mannered community.

Have a wonderful, night?

**webuyselltradestuff** · 10-30-2016, 09:31 PM

oh, and from what I hear...DO NOT jump into the gold refining forum and ask that...they will not be kind. They expect you to READ EVERYTHING 1st including the book (kinda like the beginners bible) they mention before even ASKING something there.

As others have said...this is NOT like youtube. Even people highly trained in chemistry can get themselves into trouble. The problem is, with those chemicals it can mean chemical burns, lungs turned into jelly, explosions and even death....ie it is a BAD BAD idea unless you know EXACTLY what the F%^K you are doing and have professional equipment. Even if you did, most people can only recover part of the gold, so alot gets left on the table.

If you actually have ALOT of stuff (100's or 1000's of pounds) then go the refiner method mentioned. The assay's are expensive to run to even know what you might have. You also need someone that is a KILLER rep to help you with the process.

good luck...I just send my SH$% into the buyers here...turn and burn.

Charles

**miked** · 10-30-2016, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by 6Recycle0the7

Nevermind. once again. totally overlooked
jimicrk's post. Thank you for this and my apologies. I merely clicked the "forum rules" on the above navigation. I appreciate how my question was handled and I look forward to learning from a oddly well mannered community.

Have a wonderful, night?

Oddly there is no rule against discussions about goats. We even like photos of goats. Hang in there there's lots to learn on the forum and continued participation will help you. 73, Mike

**RLS0812** · 10-30-2016, 10:06 PM

**Breakage** · 10-30-2016, 10:56 PM

Aside from all the obvious which has been said, the e-waste mentioned in the thread opener sounds like mixed grade stuff. You aren't going to find gold in radios (none I've seen, anyway).

**eesakiwi** · 10-31-2016, 08:05 AM

Cloud9------
I answered your question in another forum.... Its the best advise that you will get too.

Clean your metals down and separate/grade them properly. Sell them like that to cover expenses.

Grade and separate your cleaned escrap and find a buyer on this website and sell it to them. Make 100% sure you have the best and cheapest postage costs.
Get your money, buy a tradeable Gold bar with it.

**auminer** · 10-31-2016, 05:29 PM

You want to do some work & actually end up with some real gold in your hand at the end of the day, join the GPAA, buy a #2 shovel, a pan, and preferably a sluice box and head to one of their claims.

**hobo finds** · 10-31-2016, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by 6Recycle0the7

Background: Stripped down, and capacitors removed/still attached. How ever it may have to happen. SWIM has proper waste disposal nearby and a couple ton's worth of electronics, mainly industrial network gear/computers/monitors/CB radios/ Car amplifiers/ automotive electrical eq / battery chargers, ect....

SWIM knows it's recommended to remove all ferromagnetic materials and to remove solder through NaOH solution. SWIM knows capacitors have fluids in them but do not know in depth the content and the reaction that it may have. SWIM is talking of using the following solutions: (but am open to other cost effective methods.) HCL/HP solution / Nitric Acid solution (and obviously an Aqua-R solution if needed)

Question:

On a scale of approx. the volume of a 5 gallon bucket, to a 55 gallon (non-metallic) drum, How would SWIY go about efficiently extracting and precipitating individual metals on a large scale.

A) What would be the steps needed for maximum yield, and most importantly the safety measures required for on the spot problem solving / handling
B) How does SWIY go about precipitating individual metals out of each solution. HCL/HP is the reverse of Nitric-A in terms of silver and better. But SWIM only knows more about the safety than producing efficient results.

Side question: Is there a spectrum of chemicals used to determine elemental content of metals? SWIM knows only of gold/silver testing, but as MRI and Mass Spectrometers are a bit out of SWIM's price range, it sure is helpful with the way some elements react a bit extreme when dropped too fast.

Thank-you for your time in this matter, and SWIM greatly appreciate any knowledge you may have on this situation. Please refrain from the comments involving "Don't do it, (insert bunch of information on why, instead of on how to do a bad idea ideally)

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